Tek 2467B very nice, with problems.

[Gyuri]

My best wishes to all of you, on our National Day!

I bought a Tek 2467B oscilloscope.
This probably was not a wise decision.
But wise are on the other side.
This is in a very nice cosmetic condition, but with minor problems.
I would like to fix this problems.
But i'm need help for this.
I don't like worsen this problems, with more imbecility.
So is there anybody who is willing helping me?

Best Regards,

Gyuri

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[audiomik]

You might try the Tektronix Forum?
Tektronix Forum • View forum - Oscilloscope Technical Support

Mik

 

[Gyuri]

Thank you. I will try it.

Gyuri

 

[flg]

I would expect there to be a few experienced techs step up soon. We have a few here. I have a 2465B(I think) looks similar but you have a few more buttons...

 

[Gyuri]

I can wait.

 

[Gyuri]

The Easter is here already.
But unfortunately, nobody, you don't asked even it what's your problem with this apparatus?
Neither here, neither at Tekforum.

It is true, where is still Christmas!

 

[gootee]

Why didn't you say what the problem is? What is the problem?

I have repaired a few 2465-series scopes, a long time ago, and still have mine.

Probably your best bet, by far, will be the TekScopes discussion group, at yahoogroups.com.

 

[Gyuri]

Because I can not understand English and electronics.
So this is a difficult task for me.
But if there is a chance to see that someone can help me, I'll try.
Here is begins the thing:
TEST 02 FAIL 04
I know this is calibration problem.
But around here ends my knowledge.
I have the service book, easily 500 + pages in English.

 

[Gyuri]

If you think I'll try to describe my experience, this can really only be calibrated, I do not know.
But an appropriate (and quite expensive) instrumentation that is not possible without
Although I think the majority of the settings are right.
The vertical settings are definitely a problem.
By changing the voltage limit settings, the beams moved vertically.

What is interesting, and certainly means something:
5V/div, 0.5V/div, 50mV/div position is the same place,
this is true here:
(but these are another positions, than at above settings.)
2V/div, 0.2V/div, 20mV/div position is the same place,
and here:
(but these are another positions, than at above two settings.)
1V/div, 0.1V/div, 10mV/div position is the same place.
At 2mV/div setting the beams I can not move to the screen.
Precisely, the CH1 beam appears at the bottom of screen, but CH2 don't.

Now that's it.
This is me now I need to rest.
Thanks.

Gyuri

P.S.:
Perhaps you managed to understand something about it.

 

[gootee]

That sounds very hopeful, actually. At least it doesn't sound like the unobtainable input(?) chip is fried.

In my 2465, and some other 2400-series scopes, the calibration constants are all stored in an "NVRAM" (Non-Volatile RAM). But that NVRAM needs a BATTERY, to stay alive. Perhaps your battery just needs to be replaced.

For the re-calibration, you probably only need DC reference voltages and a timing reference (like a pulse generator). It's an easier and much shorter process than with the older Tek scopes.

Do you have the calibration procedure? You can substitute different test equipment, and can "fake" parts of it with lesser equipment, just to get it running.

In my 2465, the battery is on the top of the top circuit board, under the top cover. It's like a large silver disc-shaped wristwatch battery. I believe it's a commonly-available type.

Cheers,

Tom

 

[Gyuri]

Hey, Tom,
Thank you for your reply!
I took on the middle of the things, extremely possibly.
The oscilloscope works, as you may see on this picture:
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You may see it though on this picture, there is a Dallas DS1225Y chip:
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The battery is in it. Similar, that was on EISA motherboards. Who remembers EISA MCA architectures yet? MYLEX is the name of few for example.
I don't think that there is a need for full calibration.
Than I mentioned it above, there is a vertical mismatch.
The representation of the signs is perfect.
The trigger is stable, on all four channels.
Brightness, focus, astigmatism these are sems to be properly.
The cursor readouts are perfect, at volts and frequencies too, but only in manual mode.
But the CH1 VAR VOLTS/DIV as if it would not function properly. But the potmeter is all right, tested with DMM, according to CH2 VAR potmeter, which is works perfectly.
AUTO SETUP is out of order, as all of automatic measurements.
For your reference, the Service Manual found here:
https://skydrive.live.com/?sc=photo...B7D50B65FBF&id=E894CB7D50B65FBF!531&sc=photos

Thanks for your help in advance!

Gyuri

 

[KatieandDad]

That sounds very hopeful, actually. At least it doesn't sound like the unobtainable input(?) chip is fried.

In my 2465, and some other 2400-series scopes, the calibration constants are all stored in an "NVRAM" (Non-Volatile RAM). But that NVRAM needs a BATTERY, to stay alive. Perhaps your battery just needs to be replaced.

For the re-calibration, you probably only need DC reference voltages and a timing reference (like a pulse generator). It's an easier and much shorter process than with the older Tek scopes.

Do you have the calibration procedure? You can substitute different test equipment, and can "fake" parts of it with lesser equipment, just to get it running.

In my 2465, the battery is on the top of the top circuit board, under the top cover. It's like a large silver disc-shaped wristwatch battery. I believe it's a commonly-available type.

Cheers,

Tom

I think you'll find that the battery might be an integral part of the DALAS NVRAM module in the second photo in Post #1.

Description

The DS1225Y 64K Nonvolatile SRAM is a 65,536-bit, fully static, nonvolatile RAM organized as 8192 words by 8 bits. Each NV SRAM has a self-contained lithium energy source and control circuitry which constantly monitors VCC for an out-of-tolerance condition. When such a condition occurs, the lithium energy source is automatically switched on and write protection is unconditionally enabled to prevent data corruption. The NV SRAM can be used in place of existing 8k x 8 SRAMs directly conforming to the popular bytewide 28-pin DIP standard. The DS1225Y also matches the pinout of the 2764 EPROM or the 2864 EEPROM, allowing direct substitution while enhancing performance. There is no limit on the number of write cycles that can be executed and no additional support circuitry is required for microprocessor interfacing.

 

[Gyuri]

Now I see, between 2465 and 2465B are more differences than 2465B and 2467B between.

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[Gyuri]

So, dear Flg, if you have less button, it is a 2465.

 

[Gyuri]

It is because of this that Tom's machine some other kind of battery contains.

 

[Gyuri]

As my learned colleague would say it:
Stand on half foot while somebody helps you.

I say it, help yourself, and the God helps you.
He helped me already.
Although I would have omitted this rather.

 

[Gyuri]

I found this beautiful side while I was searching for useful informations on the web:
Audio, Verstärker, Meßgeräte und analoge Elektronik

 

[Gyuri]

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[Gyuri]

I am not an expert unfortunately.
Nothing at all.

 

[Gyuri]

There was a slight improvement.
I have to consider, however, because at least it's not ruined.

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