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Old 5th August 2008, 07:30 AM   #61
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I have not build it yet.
I don't have money to make it.
I make gain clone lm386, it sound very good.

thank you for suggestion.
maybe someday I try to build it for fun.
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Old 5th August 2008, 12:53 PM   #62
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Originally posted by jacco vermeulen
Sorry about the delay.
I have 40 years of audio history articles, i could open up a museum if i knew how to archive.

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Here is the AXL.
This one i built, using the 135/50.
Intended for 60% class A at 30V or in AB at 45V.

I added two Mosfets, with 1.8A bias at 30V it did 25 watts class A both in 8 and in 4 Ohm like the ML2.

Before building it in a chassis i had it on a wooden panel with dual powersupplies.
Switching from one channel in class A to the second in AB with a relay enabled me to compare.
First time i noticed Mosfets sound cold and hard in AB, warm and soft in class A, by the end of the 80s opamp/mosfet designs made this even more apparent.

Hi, can you post this two project more bigger???
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Old 1st September 2008, 11:07 PM   #63
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Default troubleshooting of AXL amplifier

I have rebuilt my AXL. I'm using 2SK135/2SJ50 now. Both are supplied with independent power supply, i.e. one channel one power supply. Both power supply work just fine. I use 2 22000mfd/50V electrolytic capacitor from panasonic japan for each power supply. Output voltages are 30Vdc. However, I experienced extreme and increased heat on the 2SJ50 (it cannot be touched! Well, it can actually, but it burned my forefinger) at one of the channel. The other channel is work just fine. I have tried to change all of the BC550/BC560 and BF469/BF470 for the trouble channel. The problem is remain unsolved. Should I replace all of the 4148 and 12 & 15 V zenner diodes? Any suggestion please....thanks in advance
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Old 2nd September 2008, 01:44 AM   #64
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Default Better solution..

Stuck with a pile of darlingtons ...
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and reeling from destroyer's comment that a high fidelity
darlington output amp could not be constructed, I found
multiple solutions.

1. This amp with no compensation to counter switching
distortion:
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2. the Elecktor amp (earlier in thread)which uses a bypass cap like DX suggested.

3: The modern and true fidelity,cheap solution is:
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This amp with proper layout, better drivers,
Mn2488/mp1628 (sanken) X 2 for 4 ohms will give
a full stereo amplifier at-
100W 8R0 / 200W 4R0 , all for 25$ (LM4702a-7+$+ trannies/16+$)
The amplifier driven with the LM4702 gives VERY low
IM + THD (.001%)but with the "balls" of a discreet topology.
"Gainclone with teeth" is a good way to describe it, and
I'm sure it will sound as good if not better than most DIY.

Plans are here:
http://ts1/pdf1/Electronics/Projects/Audio_amp/Hybrid_darlington/
I will create a thread as soon as the chips arrive..

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Old 2nd September 2008, 06:08 AM   #65
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Default Re: troubleshooting of AXL amplifier

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I have rebuilt my AXL. ....................... I experienced extreme and increased heat on the 2SJ50............. Any suggestion please
Do not power up any modified or new project straight from the mains. Always use a light bulb tester for first power up.
Build up a mains light bulb tester.
Connect the amp to the light bulb tester's outlet socket.
I suspect that the light bulb will light. If the amp were working properly it should flash and then gradually dim to a glow.
Now measure the voltage on the speaker output and on the supply rails.
Now switch off.
Compare the good channel voltages to the bad channel voltages.
Are they different? Report back.
and post a schematic.
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Old 2nd September 2008, 05:34 PM   #66
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Default AXL problem

Dear Andrew

Thank you for your prompt respond. Anyway, I haven't had a chance to try your recommendation. The schematic for axl is as already posted by Meneer Jacco Vermeulen on 12-20-2004 (see post #52). One thing I observe is extreme 2 A bias current to the 0.22ohm resistor (R28) toward the SJ50 mosfet, while almost 0 A bias current to the other 0.22 ohm resistor (R27) toward the SK135 mosfet. Fyi, the P1 is set to maximum resistance value (1k). This happen only for one channel (right), while the other channel (left) is just fine.

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Old 3rd September 2008, 12:46 PM   #67
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Default AXL problem solved

Finally I resolved the problem...it is a defected zenner diode in the driver circuit. I replaced the D2, 15V zenner then everything back in order now. For now, I used in class B with 45V supply. The bias is set to 120mA. I used 2.2mfd paper in oil capacitor as input capacitor. Other capacitors used are wima mkp, siemens mkp, and silver mica. Resistors are mixed of holco, roederstein, prp, dale, and riken. Now I can finally enjoy again the pleasant and warm sound of axl. If you have spare sk134/sj49, sk135/sj50, or sk176/j56, I recommend you to build one. In my country the mosfets are quite rare, and the price for pair is around 60 USD.

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Old 5th September 2008, 03:14 PM   #68
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Default input capacitor for AXL amplifier

Dear all,

I heard an opinion that if we change the input capacitor of AXL amplifier from 3 x 820nF (=2.46mF) to say a bigger value of 4.7 mF, there will be sonic improvement. Is this true? What is the impact actually of replacing input capacitor with higher value? What about the opposite, i.e. the impact of replacing input capacitor with lower value?

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Old 7th September 2008, 06:08 PM   #69
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The input cap is both a DC blocker and a high pass filter.
One cannot be had without the other.

The DC block prevents DC from a previous source getting into the next stage.
If this is omitted the repercussions can be crippling. Damage to the next stage to damage to the speakers. Incorrect operation of the next stage to gross distortion of the signal processing.

The advantage of omitting the high pass filter is reputedly an improvement in sound quality, but if any of the preceding problems enter the signal chain then that improvement can never be achieved.

There are electronic means (DC servo and DC detection and signal mute/isolation) to avoid some of these problems, but a thorough assessment of the possible failure/operational conditions must be carried out before designing to remove the DC blocker.
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Old 12th October 2008, 08:10 PM   #70
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Question Need some opinions before renewing my old Mini Crescendo (70W)

Hi all,

I'm a beginner and planning to renew/upgrade my old Mini Crescendo amp (2x70W version). Some days ago, I've just found my extra 2SK135/2SJ50 (2 pairs) so I need some answers/opinions before I start to work for it.

I have 2 different schematics that I believe they were originally published by Elektor in the 80's, and the schematics are:

A. Mini-Crescendo (70W) -----> my old amp refer to this schematic.

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B. Crescendo (140W)

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My questions:

1. Can I use schematic-B (140W) with all of its components value but only use a pair of 2SK/2SJ on the output stage to make a 50W version ?

Remarks :
- PSU voltage = +50V/0/-50V
- Quiescent Current = 100mA

2. Can I use schematic-A (70W) with all of its components value and add another pair of 2SK/2SJ on the output stage to make a 140W version ?

Remarks :
- PSU voltage = +70V/0/-70V
- Quiescent Current = 200mA

3. What if I use some branded components (R, C) that are famously used in tubes amp like Beyschlag, Riken, Holco, Dale, AB, etc (for R), ELNA (Tonerex, Cerafine, Silmic) , Black Gate, Solen, Jensen, etc (for C). Will it dramatically improve the sound?

4. Can I replace a 35A/200V Bridge Diode with 4xMUR860 diodes ?

I have an idea. If the answers for the question (1) & (2) are YES, I'm planning to make PCB that can be used for both schematics. Firstly, maybe I'd like to make the mini version before add another pair of MOSFETs on each channel and change the PSU to create 2x140 version.


I would really appreciate for some answers/opinions/helps.
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