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bronal 1st January 2013 03:55 AM

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Originally Posted by ptashton (Post 3306176)
Has anyone contacted Simon at DIYHIFI Supply with the modifications on this thread to see if they would implement the improvements in their product. This could include a module circuit board of Rod Coleman's regulator. It would be very good to see his regulators and power supply modulized to fit into the Tram2.

Peter

That's essentially what I said. It seems logical and good business sense to me to want to offer an improved product at little or no extra cost. However, the modders don't seem to see it that way.

kazap 1st January 2013 04:13 AM

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Originally Posted by bronal (Post 3306307)
... It seems logical and good business sense to me to want to offer an improved product ...

Well it seems to me the developers of the Tram2 have applied revisions to the heater regulator cooling design so its very stable with V3. Job done at no cost. A minor change that doesnt seem to warrant a new model revision. If anyone wants to use a different regulator design then to me it seems to be the usual personal upgrade process of DIY , like changing capacitors.

Anyway this is not my prerogative dabbling in what is a designer choice. I imagine the designers having started this thread follow it and are well aware of the possibilities.

On with the modding plans for me. Ill have a Tram2 kit without the usual regs or tubes but with the Coleman regs via the Morten installation plus the Morten Obligatory six output caps per channel on the side and the 2A3SE tubes as a garnish. :o

ptashton 1st January 2013 05:00 AM

I have sent an e-mail to Simon from DIYHIFI Supply detailing the components Morten has substituted in the Tram2 Pre-amp. I asked if their Research and Development person could look and these components with the possibility of implementing them in the kit or making them available as option on the Tram2 Pre-amp page.

See what happens!!!!

Peter

ptashton 1st January 2013 05:02 AM

Hug. do not forget the Dueland Caps on your modding plans.

kazap 1st January 2013 05:02 AM

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Desmo 1st January 2013 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by bronal (Post 3306307)
That's essentially what I said. It seems logical and good business sense to me to want to offer an improved product at little or no extra cost. However, the modders don't seem to see it that way.

Well, I guess that I'm ''the modders''...

Of course I think that a company should address ''known issues'', and that is exactly what they did with the improved V.3 version of the dht regulators. Correcting the one and single known issue.

I just think that you are unfair to Thorsten Löesch (the designer) when you mention ''several known issues''. To be fair there was ONE known issues, and they have fixed it.

Everything else that can be done to upgrade / change a product can't really be said to be ''issues''. These are modifications / upgrades... Every designer of every hifi product on the planet has to consider the target price the company want to match, this also goes for the Tram II. Therefore there is not room (cost wise) for parts like Shinkoh tantalium resistors, Duelund capacitors etc... This is understandable when the company sell the pream at such an affordable price. But to call it ''known issues'' that these parts are not included is not fair.... In my opinion...

Desmo 1st January 2013 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by ptashton (Post 3306341)
I have sent an e-mail to Simon from DIYHIFI Supply detailing the components Morten has substituted in the Tram2 Pre-amp. I asked if their Research and Development person could look and these components with the possibility of implementing them in the kit or making them available as option on the Tram2 Pre-amp page.

See what happens!!!!

Peter

I think that I know the answer, if you get one, but I might be surprised :)

ptashton 1st January 2013 08:56 AM

Morten, I will definitely keep you posted and any answers from DIYHIFI Supply. This could be the next enjoythemusic product of the year or 6moon Blue Award, done with the your and other members help on this forum thread. It would be good to improve a produce's sound with the help of the produce's followers. A win/win for all. I my be dreaming!!!!

Peter

kazap 1st January 2013 09:05 AM

More love for the genius designers. Cant be easy making a living in this game.

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Desmo 1st January 2013 09:05 AM

One think is, if they will do it. What they have now in the Tram II is all based on components / modules from their own shelves. Doing the ''upgraded'' version will mean, that they must change their strategy and get outside parts. I don't know if they have an interest in doing so or not...

Another thing is the cost. Will there be a market for a Tram II(I) that cost twice as much (or more) than the Tram II they are selling now? I believe price will go up CONSIDERABLY by implementing all these changes, it's normal that the price go up by at least 5 times the added cost of the components because there is so much more handling and logistics involved when going from using own parts, to sourcing and implementing outside parts...

But let's here what they say :)


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