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Old 15th January 2006, 02:43 PM   #1
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Default Non-oversampling DAC (TDA1543/CS8412)

Here's my attempt on building a simple non-oversampling dac. I'd like comments on the lay-out.

Filtercomponents and the dac are placed on the downside. There are two smoothing regulators in the picture but I will only use one. Green is earth.
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Old 5th February 2006, 05:27 PM   #2
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Old 6th February 2006, 12:30 AM   #3
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You can't tell me this dac is perfect

Groundplane? Control of RF?
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Old 6th February 2006, 11:58 AM   #4
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my friend - TDA1543 is VERY sensitive on the quality of the power supply.... no good quality power - no good sound.... i am affraid that using only one three terminal power supply regulator without anything that is better quality than that would not be enough to achive very good sounding dac.... well - it will be easier to make - but i am affraid that it would not be good quality...... than again - it is only my insignificant opinion about that.....
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Groundplane? Control of RF?
The green wire is ground. I decided not to use a groundPLANE since I heared another TDA1543 dac that sounded extremly good...without using a groundPLANE...so it is possible I guess?

What else can I do to control RF?

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my friend - TDA1543 is VERY sensitive on the quality of the power supply.... no good quality power - no good sound.... i am affraid that using only one three terminal power supply regulator without anything that is better quality than that would not be enough to achive very good sounding dac.... well - it will be easier to make - but i am affraid that it would not be good quality...... than again - it is only my insignificant opinion about that.....
hope this helps
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Thanks! I didn't include the power supply in the picture. Again, this choice was made after I heared several dac's using only one regulator for the dac. My power supply is based on a transformer and a few rectifiers, like 47labs builts it.
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Old 6th February 2006, 11:14 PM   #6
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So how do you know that the lack of groundplane contributes to the good sound? More to the point, how do you know that it would not sound even better with a groundplane?

Your design regime seems to be one of picking odd ideas from other designs without really understanding why they were used. (Something sometimes called a cargo cult design.) If you do this fine, but then why ask for advice about the design? You have clearly already decided what to use.

Same goes for power supply, and layout. There are very good reasons for great care being taken.
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So how do you know that the lack of groundplane contributes to the good sound? More to the point, how do you know that it would not sound even better with a groundplane?
I do know a lay-out without groundplane CAN sound awesome. Off course it's possible it sounds even better with groundplane. I guess I'll have an answer when I start experimenting, but I should begin with SOMETHING.

PS. I'm making a version WITH groundplane right know, so I can built that and simply compare with my ears
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Listen to Francis. He knows of what he speaks. For evidence, here is a thread where he walked me through a 1543 based design, the results of which are excellent. http://www6.head-fi.org/forums/showthread.php?t=149056
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the link does not work, maybe another thread number ?
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Old 29th July 2012, 01:56 PM   #10
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Hi reMC;
I can give you an advice based only on my listening experiences regarding the sound of TDA1543/CS8412 NOS DAC.
I have attached the schematic and a photo of my last version of the DAC. My DAC is literally build by this schematic. This is the fifth version. The first version had just one LM7805 on power supply and a caps on power pins of TDA1543 (47uF) and CS8412 (47uF).
It is the holy rule on this forum to place the cap on power pin of TDA1543 (as close as possible , usually 47uF) and also a cap on both power supply pins of CS8412 (as close as possible , usually 22uF). When I removed those caps the sound improved. I was asking the other members of this forum if someone has the same experiences but all I got was answers about noise and filtering (mostly theoretical explanations from books). I guess nobody seems to try it. My experience is that the more you filter the power supply (big caps, chokes,...) the more the sound will be suppressed.
So the best you could do is to build the DAC on protoboard first and try to change components and just listen to the sound what sounds best to you.
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