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Old 1st October 2002, 09:34 AM   #1
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Lightbulb Hacking Sony DVP-NC650V (cousin of NS500V), need help/schematics!

I was very impressed and inspired by hifiZen's NS500V mods in this thread. So I decided to do these on my player--however, I'm using DVP-NC650V, the 5-disc carousel version of the NS500V. Its design is similar but not identical.

For your reference, here are two pictures of the audio PCB:
Labeled photo
Sharper unlabeled photo

So far, I have successfully removed/bypassed C247 and C248 (hifiZen bypassed the same-numbered capacitors). However, I still wonder if I should instead have removed C253 or C254 instead (basically, which caps belong to which Output, #1 or #2)... maybe I should desolder my cap bypasses and see which output gets muted?

My other questions:
1) Where to get the parts (preferably cheaply)? hifiZen mentioned using:
* Analog Devices AD8620 opamp
* two 1uF Panasonic HF decoupling caps (he implied HFQs would be even better)
* see below, a Holco resistor is used--basically, I need a good 30-ohm resistor for my purposes here

2) Any advice on finding the equivalents of hifiZen's other mods? It's pretty obvious how to change the opamp and to kill neighboring muting transistors. However, what about bypassing the output resistors, like so (post by dorkus):

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i actually went one step further - i conncted a 100 ohm Holco directly from near the opamp output pad to the output terminal, using teflon tubing to insulate the resistor leads. this way you can avoid the flimsy PCB traces and extra solder terminals and use a better quality resistor. i'll try taking a picture sometime, once i get the thing working again...
So then... I should look for the output pad and connect directly to the terminal's contact (visible in my pic)?
Any help or suggestions welcome!
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Old 1st October 2002, 10:11 AM   #2
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For reference, here is hifiZen's main list of mods:

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1st mod: new opamp - I replaced the crappy one with an Analog Devices AD8620... very worthwhile! I also added 1uF Panasonic HF supply decoupling caps (no HFQs on hand...).

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short out C247 and C248 (47uF electrolytics) output coupling caps with a small piece of trimmed component lead
- bypass R288 and R289 (470ohm each) series output resistors by stacking a 10ohm resistor on top.
- remove muting transistors Q213 and Q214
- remove C280 and C281 (220pF) caps to ground
- bypass R323 and R325 (470ohm) series output resistors with 0ohm resistor stacked on top

Click the image to open in full size.
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A couple more questions:

3) In HifiZen's first pic, are the black opamp decoupler capacitors soldered in place of removed mute transistors? It's hard to tell from the picture where the mute transistors were removed.

4) What does "remove C280 and C281 (220pF) caps to ground" mean?

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Old 1st October 2002, 11:02 AM   #3
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Leo,

Thanks for the compliments! So let's see here...

Boy, that analog board looks a lot like the NS500 one! I got the schematics by ordering the service manual straight from Sony... you may be able to do the same, but I don't have a part number for the 650V. The service manual was quite affordable - maybe $30 or so.

AD8620 should be available from Newark and Allied Electronics (both carry Analog Devices, AFAIK), but don't seem to show up on their web sites. You may also be able to get them as samples(?). Actually, if anyone else knows of a good supplier for Analog Devices parts, I'd like to know! You could also use the OPA2134, which should sound excellent here as well, and seem to be easier to obtain.

The mute transistors were removed from the two larger circles shown at the upper right side of the image, near the chassis metal. There was nothing put in their place. The big decoupling caps were actually soldered right in place over the existing ceramic chip decoupling caps... if you look closely you'll see them still there at the ends of the cap leads.

C280 and C281 were located in the circles next to the silkscreen labels C277 and C278. Confused? Me too. I hope I didn't get those part numbers wrong. Anyway, they were a shunt to ground after the series output resistor. From the pics of your board, you don't seem to have these caps, so I wouldn't worry about them.

If I were smart, I would have colour coded the pictures like yours... oh well. Next time.
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Old 1st October 2002, 10:31 PM   #4
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Chad,
Great to hear from you in person!

I called up both AD suppliers, but neither had the parts. I also found this surprising itty-bitty over at SACDmods (the people who charge over $300 for ns500v mods: )

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The stock op-amps beat even the Analog Devices AD-8620 which I was evaluating as a replacement, and along the way I stumbled upon a two resistor tweak to bias the op-amps in to class A. This improves high-end clarity by quite a bit. Front channels only.
Is he serious? Both you and Marc seemed to like your "upgraded" opamps better than the 4558. I'll look for the OPA2134, I just couldn't help the curiosity after reading this.

Also wondering, what NS500 settings do you use? I heard some people enable the "CD Direct" option to bypass unnecessary circuitry during playback. I'm wondering if that would also bypass any upsampling circuitry, which could be a bad thing. I just want to make sure all the "easy tweaks" are done right first

Anyway thanks for all the feedback!
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Old 1st October 2002, 11:24 PM   #5
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As for the OPA2134, is this the part I am looking for? (This one uses SOP(D) packaging).
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Old 2nd October 2002, 02:44 AM   #6
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I just removed what I believed were the mute transistors: Q214 and Q215 as seen in the picture. However, to my surprise I didn't hear any power on/off transients! Just same normal operation. Any way to explain this?
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Leo

PS: Any other parts to get at Newark besides the OP2134? (Still looking for those 2 capacitors and resistor..)
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Old 2nd October 2002, 02:51 AM   #7
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Leo,

That is the part that you are looking for. You can get 3 free samples of the opa2134 at ti.com and you can get 2 free samples of the ad opamps at analog.com That way, you can try the devices and see what ones you like before going and buying from newark.com

That is what I have done.

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Old 2nd October 2002, 03:50 AM   #8
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Neat, I just ordered 2 samples of each. Thanks a lot Brian! The samples are identical to the real thing, right?

Which do you think is "better" for the NS500V/NC650V, the OPA2134 or AD8620? It would be very painful to solder/desolder both...
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Old 2nd October 2002, 04:11 AM   #9
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Also, I found Holco resistors (for bypassing the output resistors), over here. Should I get the 45-Ohm 1/4-watt resistor (part H8-45.3 near the top)? Sorry if it's a stupid question, I am new to audio modding!
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Old 2nd October 2002, 01:37 PM   #10
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***UPDATE*** I just downloaded NC650V's schematics, and posted them here:

block diagram (71KB)
detailed diagram (288KB)
full schematic (419KB)

As you can see, there are a couple differences from NS500V! Any observations? I removed the correct muting transistors (Q214 and Q215), but I hear no power on/off transient sound. Is that good luck?

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