FIR filters: how to get the filter coefficients?

4real · 25th August 2005, 07:10 PM

Hey there.

To make one thing clear: I don't want to talk about the pro's and con's of FIR filters! So don't start on that

So, what do I want to talk about then? Well, I'm interested in experimenting with an active 3-way speaker system. For this, I would like to use BruteFIR (like some others here on the).

But the thing is: you'll need to create the filter coefficients yourzelf. And sadly, I'm not an expert on that (I know the basics though). So I'm looking for some free software (preferably linux command line tools), to create nice phase-linear filters with as little pre-ringing as possible, with a fairly small tab size. Up until now, I didn't find anything usable. I looked at the sources of AlmusVCU (same author as BruteFIR), and found some stuff there to create some bastic filters, but I'd have to hack it a lot to create a usefull tool

. So If you know some great tools, or some tutorial to use Matlab or Octave, please let me know! Also something to visualize the coefficients (frequency response) would be great.

4real · 25th August 2005, 08:28 PM

Here a java applet that should do the trick:

http://www.dsptutor.freeuk.com/remez...terDesign.html

I only need to know if the coefficients are compatible with BruteFIR.

Charles Hansen · 26th August 2005, 02:40 AM

Momentum Data Systems makes some nice design packages. You can get a demo version of QED 1000 to play around with, but it won't give coefficients unless you purchase it for $895 (dongle protected). There is a student version for $99 with fewer features. You will have to see if you can live with its limitations.

http://www.mds.com/Products/product....=QED%2DCOMPARE

DSP_Geek · 26th August 2005, 02:53 AM

If you do this for a living, you could do far worse than ScopeFIR. It's a nice little Windows package with all the graphing you could possibly want, including graphs of imported coefficients, which comes in quite useful when using subtractive FIRs for the other band ((delayed signal) - FIR LP = FIR HP).

http://www.iowegian.com

It's a hundred bucks; I've gotten many times that much use from it.

Frankie-Bob says two thumbs up!

Francois.

disclaimer: no ties to iowegian whatsoever, just a satisfied customer.

4real · 26th August 2005, 08:30 AM

All very nice, but there are two problems: those are Windows tools, and those are NOT free

3'rd problem is that I want to integrate in into a home-made crosover designer that will spit out a BruteFIR config file automagicly.

blu_line · 26th August 2005, 10:11 AM

http://www.geocities.com/weiruan97/dfd/dfilter.html

And i got a few more of which i do not have the links available currently.

grtz

Simon

blu_line · 26th August 2005, 10:20 AM

Quote:

And i got a few more of which i do not have the links available currently.

I do

http://www.nauticom.net/www/jdtaft/

grtz

ST

4real · 26th August 2005, 10:35 AM

Thanks those look great.

But I still think my first java applet is the most usable, since I also have sources of that one.

RR · 26th August 2005, 01:37 PM

Hi:

Try this Octave script:

http://www.duffroomcorrection.com/wiki/User:Birkinshawc

4real · 26th August 2005, 01:40 PM

Thanks! That is really nice! I'll look into that as soon as possible!

25th August 2005, 07:10 PM	#1
4real diyAudio Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Arnhem	FIR filters: how to get the filter coefficients? Hey there. To make one thing clear: I don't want to talk about the pro's and con's of FIR filters! So don't start on that So, what do I want to talk about then? Well, I'm interested in experimenting with an active 3-way speaker system. For this, I would like to use BruteFIR (like some others here on the). But the thing is: you'll need to create the filter coefficients yourzelf. And sadly, I'm not an expert on that (I know the basics though). So I'm looking for some free software (preferably linux command line tools), to create nice phase-linear filters with as little pre-ringing as possible, with a fairly small tab size. Up until now, I didn't find anything usable. I looked at the sources of AlmusVCU (same author as BruteFIR), and found some stuff there to create some bastic filters, but I'd have to hack it a lot to create a usefull tool . So If you know some great tools, or some tutorial to use Matlab or Octave, please let me know! Also something to visualize the coefficients (frequency response) would be great.

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25th August 2005, 08:28 PM	#2
4real diyAudio Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Arnhem	Here a java applet that should do the trick: http://www.dsptutor.freeuk.com/remez...terDesign.html I only need to know if the coefficients are compatible with BruteFIR.

26th August 2005, 02:40 AM	#3
Charles Hansen diyAudio Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Colorado	Momentum Data Systems makes some nice design packages. You can get a demo version of QED 1000 to play around with, but it won't give coefficients unless you purchase it for $895 (dongle protected). There is a student version for $99 with fewer features. You will have to see if you can live with its limitations. http://www.mds.com/Products/product....=QED%2DCOMPARE

26th August 2005, 02:53 AM	#4
DSP_Geek diyAudio Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Santa Cruz, California	If you do this for a living, you could do far worse than ScopeFIR. It's a nice little Windows package with all the graphing you could possibly want, including graphs of imported coefficients, which comes in quite useful when using subtractive FIRs for the other band ((delayed signal) - FIR LP = FIR HP). http://www.iowegian.com It's a hundred bucks; I've gotten many times that much use from it. Frankie-Bob says two thumbs up! Francois. disclaimer: no ties to iowegian whatsoever, just a satisfied customer.

26th August 2005, 08:30 AM	#5
4real diyAudio Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Arnhem	All very nice, but there are two problems: those are Windows tools, and those are NOT free 3'rd problem is that I want to integrate in into a home-made crosover designer that will spit out a BruteFIR config file automagicly.

26th August 2005, 10:11 AM	#6
blu_line diyAudio Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Netherlands	http://www.geocities.com/weiruan97/dfd/dfilter.html And i got a few more of which i do not have the links available currently. grtz Simon

26th August 2005, 10:35 AM	#8
4real diyAudio Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Arnhem	Thanks those look great. But I still think my first java applet is the most usable, since I also have sources of that one.

26th August 2005, 01:37 PM	#9
RR diyAudio Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Spain	Hi: Try this Octave script: http://www.duffroomcorrection.com/wiki/User:Birkinshawc

26th August 2005, 01:40 PM	#10
4real diyAudio Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Arnhem	Thanks! That is really nice! I'll look into that as soon as possible!

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