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Old 29th July 2005, 06:36 AM   #1
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has anyone attempted to build an hd radio tuner? no major companies have released a low-end hd radio tuner as far as i know.
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Old 29th July 2005, 11:21 AM   #2
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HD Radio is encumbered by the lack of a published standard (it's all proprietary iBiquity stuff at the moment) and even after that standard gets published, there will still be IP licensing issues (iBiquity IP, the audio codec IP, etc)... Effectively, you'll be trying to make something with the same IP issues that prevent a DIY DD/DTS decoder from being built, but with a bunch of extra complexity attached to it (RF downconversion, OFDM demodulation, etc)

Though almost every commercial in-car/in-home HD Radio decoder is based on a chipset from TI - you might be able to find an evaluation board for it and hide it inside a nice case.

Personally, I have issues with patents and licensing and closed standards being used in public broadcast...
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Old 29th July 2005, 11:27 AM   #3
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"Personally, I have issues with patents and licensing and closed standards being used in public broadcast..."

Amen!
The closed standard will likely prevent the receiver prices from coming down for a long time ... if ever.
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The closed standard will likely prevent the receiver prices from coming down for a long time ... if ever.
There was, sadly, an article about HD radio in the NY Times yeaterday that read like advertising copy. Were it an open standard, that would be one thing, but mandated switching and government sponsored broadcasting requiring an IP license is a bad deal.
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Old 31st July 2005, 01:15 PM   #5
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There was, sadly, an article about HD radio in the NY Times yeaterday that read like advertising copy. Were it an open standard, that would be one thing, but mandated switching and government sponsored broadcasting requiring an IP license is a bad deal.
I'm working in this industry so I can't really say much without getting myself in trouble... but here's some info:

After HDTV took nearly two decades to come out, the NRSC/FCC learned a few things about patents. A completely closed standard *won't* find its way into any public broadcast system. Any resulting standard will end up being something like ATSC - building a "clean-room" receiver completely from scratch is perfectly legal and possible by reading the specs, but you'll probably pay software licensing costs whenever you buy a chipset or a library to do it for you - and most companies do the latter.

Right now the HD Radio standard is almost completely ready to go. All the low-level frequency usage, OFDM/QAM, forward error correction and other low level stuff... everyone involved is happy with it. It's a very good/robust system in this regard.

What everyone's concerned about is iBiquity's audio compression codec, HDC - it's a patent-and-licensing-fee-encumbered black box, it's old constant-bit-rate tech, and I personally don't like its sound. And unlike DRM or even DVD discs, there's no provisions in the standard to allow different codec types to be used - which is a badbadbad idea considering that audio codec tech is a very highly researched field nowadays and there's far better standards already... licensing aside.
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Old 22nd January 2006, 04:52 AM   #6
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OK, here is a newbie post. First off, I agree that standards suck when only one source is holding all the cards. I'm pretty sure they used to call that a "monopoly". Some one might want to look that one up. In this day of high power DSP built into every audio card of a PC, I have to beleive that a decoder could be designed is software in a relativily short time. Any one know of this being done yet?
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OK, here is a newbie post. First off, I agree that standards suck when only one source is holding all the cards. I'm pretty sure they used to call that a "monopoly". Some one might want to look that one up. In this day of high power DSP built into every audio card of a PC, I have to beleive that a decoder could be designed is software in a relativily short time. Any one know of this being done yet?
For AM DRM, this already exists - http://drm.sourceforge.net/

However, an AM DRM signal has far less channel bandwidth than the 400KHz bandwidth of FM HD Radio. You'll need a much faster DAC for IF sampling than you can do with a soundcard.

It may be possible to do AM IBOC with a faster (96KHz) soundcard, but there's still the whole "lack of a specification" problem.
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I've hear they've had some issues with the RF signal quality also..
I guess IBOC tends to wipe out analog stations for a good distance,It's a major issue in some places.
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