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Old 16th December 2006, 09:15 PM   #5091
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I keep thinking I should change the electrolytics in the analogue stage of my 67se.

Those Elnas are 10 years old now and many are saying that newer standard ones like Panasonic FC/FM and Rubycon ZA/ZL sound better anyway.

I didn't like the ultra low ESRs.

http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showt...95#post1041995

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Old 16th December 2006, 11:08 PM   #5092
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Today I was just thinking about trying a pair of BG-N 470/6.3 on the DAC instead of my big Panny FA's.
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Old 17th December 2006, 05:21 AM   #5093
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I keep thinking I should change the electrolytics in the analogue stage of my 67se.

Those Elnas are 10 years old now and many are saying that newer standard ones like Panasonic FC/FM and Rubycon ZA/ZL sound better anyway.

It seems Elna Silmic/Cerafine and Nichicon Muse caps are impossible to find these days anyway.
You're absolutely right. Those caps should be ditched after 10 years of service. But people tend to hang on to these things because they are Cerafines, even if they are from the dinosaur age . I have a bunch of them for sale, anyone interested?

Michael Percy has a nice list of Nichicon Muse, most of them are in stock too.

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Old 17th December 2006, 08:17 AM   #5094
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I use my Cerafines simply because I trust my ears. They sounds way better than the FC's - in the analog section of cause.
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Old 17th December 2006, 09:19 AM   #5095
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I use my Cerafines simply because I trust my ears. They sounds way better than the FC's - in the analog section of cause.
Are those the original (old) ones? Did you try BG there? Theoretically a new BG should do better there, but that's just theory, the ears cannot be tricked. I have good experience with them though.

I know some people that hung on to that special expensive interconnect they bought 10+ years ago, until they heard a new one. The point is: all this stuff ages, and you have to renew things once in a while to get that sound back you like(d) so much. Nasty thing is, it happens very slowly, so you don't notice it until you change something.

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Old 17th December 2006, 09:49 AM   #5096
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Yes they are Ray, the original ones. No, I didn't try BG - yet.

And I do 100% agree with you, things ages, but you always have to trust your ears. Only because a thing is old doesn't mean it's ditchy! (is that a word?).
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Old 17th December 2006, 10:13 AM   #5097
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And I do 100% agree with you, things ages, but you always have to trust your ears. Only because a thing is old doesn't mean it's ditchy! (is that a word?).

That statement has a very very high WAF

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Old 17th December 2006, 10:40 AM   #5098
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You're absolutely right. Those caps should be ditched after 10 years of service. But people tend to hang on to these things because they are Cerafines, even if they are from the dinosaur age . I have a bunch of them for sale, anyone interested?

Michael Percy has a nice list of Nichicon Muse, most of them are in stock too.

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Hi Ray,

Have you ever used audio-cube? They appear to stock Silmic II and Cerafines. I didn't think Cerafines were still being made.

Now I have to choose between Silmic II, Cerafine, BG std, BG FK. It's tempting to stay with a Cerafine/Silmic mix so it stays 'Marantzy' (now there's a new word for you ).

I have a mix of Silmic and Muse KZ in my pre, but those are rarer than hen's teeth too it seems.
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Old 17th December 2006, 10:46 AM   #5099
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It seems Elna Silmic/Cerafine and Nichicon Muse caps are impossible to find these days anyway.

Try here ......

http://stores.ebay.com.cn/p9hifishop...Q3amesstQQtZkm


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EDIT ........... also try Audiocom.
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Old 17th December 2006, 10:59 AM   #5100
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Try here ......

http://stores.ebay.com.cn/p9hifishop...Q3amesstQQtZkm


Andy
But would you trust them? Plenty of stories of fake transistors and capacitors from China.

This also raises another query - what about shelf life? If they've been hanging around for years, would they have deteriorated significantly?

Also, if I went for BG, is there anybody in the UK (or EU I suppose) selling them cheaper than Audiocom? (There must be....)
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