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Old 17th October 2010, 12:55 PM   #15021
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Old 17th October 2010, 02:45 PM   #15022
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Scary!!! Mine looks positively empty. I'm ashamed...time to gather dosh. Brent are you listening?
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Old 17th October 2010, 06:21 PM   #15023
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I am following SimonT and doing an Arcam Alpha instead and having some fun using his instructions - he's such a helpful guy and now, since his first contributiuons 5 years ago, he knows exactly what he's talking about.
lol, I just spotted this now. You're right, I have gone from noobie to occasionally dishing out advice in the span of this thread to-date. I also now have a pretty superb disc-spinner, but it is the Alpha, not the CD63. The CD63 never gave the microdynamics, texture or sheer grand scale of the better older players but it is and always will be a fun player to tinker with, and one capable of incredible bell-like clarity and hyper-detail. Most will not believe this last statement, but it is true
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Old 17th October 2010, 06:40 PM   #15024
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OK, knowing what you know now with all the mods done to a 67/63, How would you build a new one from scratch? Which mods would you implement and which ones would you leave out?
It depends how far you wish to take things but in any event (other than for sheer budget fun) you will want the CD63KI as a base. The superior transformer of that player and the more discrete circuitry of the CD63 over the CD67 are the relevant advantages.

In a modest state of tune I'd leave the HDAM in for a funky sound. I'd bypass it if going quite far though as it does cloud things up a little. The standard op-amps are great musically (timing, dynamics, bass etc.) but lacking polish (rough and grainy) and I'd just use the well-known LM4562 or newer-labelled version.

The resistors and poly caps around the output are minor and not worth the hassle unless you're really going all-out. Same with new output sockets.

The massive changes come from putting a dedicated voltage regulator on every circuit and of those the most important seems to be the (2-6 depending on how far you take it) regulators on the servo driver op-amps.

The next most important thing may well be placing a clock each on the DAC and on the servo chip. This, along with the servo change, will make the player smooth and detailed with good space and incredible timing.

The obvious changes of using schottky diodes (smoothness and upper range emphasis) and replacing electrolytic caps (various improvements!) are a given. Os-con SEPC is probably best on the digital rails and Black Gates on the analogue parts. Huge smoothing caps always seem to work well.

Personally, I love the effect of wooden cones on any piece of hi-fi (I always use three) for the full-on dynamic range and smooth tone.

The discrete output sounds good, just that bit more dynamic and fleshy than the LM4562 op-amps but otherwise with a similar sound to my ears. It needs good voltage regulators and DC blocking caps (I love Mundorf Supreme) to sound as clean as it can.

To take the player as far as possible you'll then need to add extra power supplies from a smattering of extra transformers. The coax run of the HF signal seems to be really worthwhile. I heard a large step towards a grain-free, fluid top end.

Other mechanical mods may affect the sound a little but don't assume it will be better: different is likely; better is a bonus if that happens. We're talking slapping on bitumen etc. or adding extra support on the chassis at the bottom.

I've probably forgotten some mods but those are the things I've found when messing with these players. In summary, it's quite cheap to get a really detailed, explicit sound but a really smooth and refined one with deep bass takes every mod you can throw at it! Finally, expect a slight upper midrange emphasis whatever you do, which seems to be a characteristic of the chipset.

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Old 17th October 2010, 07:47 PM   #15025
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Hi Simon

I am pleased to know you did not loose the touch

Your explanation about the several mods and it´s effects is very good (You did not mention powering the dac analog with a good sreg) but your description of the overall sound of the CDP is spot on.

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Old 17th October 2010, 07:50 PM   #15026
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lol, I just spotted this now. You're right, I have gone from noobie to occasionally dishing out advice in the span of this thread to-date. I also now have a pretty superb disc-spinner, but it is the Alpha, not the CD63. The CD63 never gave the microdynamics, texture or sheer grand scale of the better older players but it is and always will be a fun player to tinker with, and one capable of incredible bell-like clarity and hyper-detail. Most will not believe this last statement, but it is true
And they do great sound stage, best I ever heard. Have compared it to a Philips CD723 well modded by a " name " here in France and the CD-43 was 3D all around the room, even outside the room when the poor Philips was only making music at the very point of the speakers. But yes, the life bite of the MIA CD40 is missing.
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Old 17th October 2010, 07:58 PM   #15027
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I didn't mention the sound stage because it's not really something I'm interested in. Even live music often has a confusing and unpredictable sound stage to my ears so I find it hard to know what is most correct when listening to reproduced music. I do agree that the CD63 can give a pleasingly expansive and open sound with instruments each in their own space - when given a really good recording.

Ricardo, The DAC analogue reg is definitely important, I totally agree about that. I just didn't mention it because it is probably less important than the servo driver regs, though almost certainly far more deserving of a high-performance regulator.

The short gallery of modded players you did was a fun thing

Seeing my player made me remember the crystalline sound on things like Diana Krall. The '63 is hard to beat if that's all you listen to.
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Old 17th October 2010, 08:16 PM   #15028
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Hi Simon

How would you compare the CD63 with the older CD85.... I might get one of these if it proves worthy of some good mods
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Old 17th October 2010, 08:20 PM   #15029
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Thanks for the info guys
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Old 17th October 2010, 08:34 PM   #15030
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Hi Ricardo,

I've only heard an '85 once and that was at Brent's place. It sounded very shut-in as standard but even from another room I had to dash in and hear what was making the huge dynamic bass! I'm sure an 85 could be made great but if you can, try to stretch to a CD94, it's really that much better - they even sound really good as standard and I don't think that of many machines. If only playing CDs and not using other sources it's possibly one of the very best machines to modify IMHO, given how expensive a CD7 is.

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