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Old 2nd November 2009, 01:26 PM   #13411
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I wonder why nothing is coming in to replace Black Gates. It could be that it's too small a market for manufacturers to care about, when already there are Nichicon MUSE and Elna Silmic and For Audio parts available. I thought making BG would be profitable but maybe not enough
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Old 2nd November 2009, 02:39 PM   #13412
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IMO, Ruby ZA are quite good in digital areas but in analog supplies they tend to produce a "thin" sound...... wonderfull detail with low distortion but somehow lacking in the low freq area.
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Old 2nd November 2009, 02:44 PM   #13413
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Old 2nd November 2009, 03:35 PM   #13414
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IMO, Ruby ZA are quite good in digital areas but in analog supplies they tend to produce a "thin" sound...... wonderfull detail with low distortion but somehow lacking in the low freq area.
What I notice whenever I've used Black Gates is a more forward midrange that is fluid and sweet. The sound is detailed in spite of a relaxed presentation. If only some other caps could confer this type of improvement
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Old 2nd November 2009, 03:37 PM   #13415
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Hi Simon

I know you used silmic before.... how do you compare these with the BG ?
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Old 2nd November 2009, 03:44 PM   #13416
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Hi Ricardo,

I've not compared them unfortunately. I'll be sure to post about it if and when I do. I might try some Silmics but it's hard to compare to something so hard to obtain. A better comparison might be vs. Cerafine, ZA, Os-con, film caps or MUSE - all nice audio-friendly decoupling caps.

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Old 2nd November 2009, 03:50 PM   #13417
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Silmics are really smooth and full-bodied sounding caps with a nice, flowing nature. They are veiled in the detail department compared to Black Gate, ZA. The Silmic II does have a better top end than the older "mk1" version, but is still not up to Black Gate levels. However, if ZA are too dry for your tastes, I have found a combination of Silmic's directly after regs and ZA right at the loads is a really nice combination when BG are unavailable.

I really like the Nichicon Muse caps, these seem a little more open sounding than Silmic, but I haven't directly compared them.

Cheers, Lee.
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Old 2nd November 2009, 03:54 PM   #13418
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So a sprinkling of "salt" here and "pepper" there may be the best way to proceed! Then perhaps we'll add some balsamic vinegar (os-con SEPC) to complete the feast.

We could discuss smoothing caps too but I can't add much to that one except to say bigger (physically) seems to sound better and bigger uF is a bonus.

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Old 2nd November 2009, 04:08 PM   #13419
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Regarding smoothers I recently found the Jensen 4 pole to excel in trebble detail while maintaining a good presence and detail in the bass.

I will try Lee´s recipe (Silmic at the reg and ZA at the load) and report....

Thank you for the precious info !!!
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Old 2nd November 2009, 04:20 PM   #13420
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Ah, I've seen those expensive Jensen caps and knew they were good, but it's nice to hear it from someone here!
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