A bad or good idea-someone please let me know:
Since ferrite beads are meant to absorb RFI/EMI, does it make any sense to place the beads ON THE TOP of integrated chips so that any radiated RFI/EMI is absorbed? Obviously there will need to be some way to mount the ferrite beads on the chips-blue tack maybe?
I have tried them on leads of inductors and this certainly seemed to lower the noise floor in CD players.
Since ferrite beads are meant to absorb RFI/EMI, does it make any sense to place the beads ON THE TOP of integrated chips so that any radiated RFI/EMI is absorbed? Obviously there will need to be some way to mount the ferrite beads on the chips-blue tack maybe?
I have tried them on leads of inductors and this certainly seemed to lower the noise floor in CD players.
This is a very good idea! It is already common use. Ferrishield in the USA is already making and selling rfi/ emi absorbers, that can be attached on ic's and pcb's.
Look on www.ferrishield.com for more information on the subject.
Best regards,
René
Look on www.ferrishield.com for more information on the subject.
Best regards,
René
Hi
For the higher frequencies (say several hundreds of MHz) it will do, but below in general the RF currents and supply and or I/O loops will generate most RFI.
With that in mind, it doesn't matter where to place the bead (integrating that material is expensive)
By the way, beads do not absorb, they expose themselves as high RF impedances hence blocking RF currents
On chip measures to do similar jobs are actively switched supply lines (they disconnect when internally generated dI/dt is high)
best regards
For the higher frequencies (say several hundreds of MHz) it will do, but below in general the RF currents and supply and or I/O loops will generate most RFI.
With that in mind, it doesn't matter where to place the bead (integrating that material is expensive)
By the way, beads do not absorb, they expose themselves as high RF impedances hence blocking RF currents
On chip measures to do similar jobs are actively switched supply lines (they disconnect when internally generated dI/dt is high)
best regards
I use Stillpoints ERS paper - just cut it to size for each chip, put a dab of silicone glue on it and stick it on each chip. I even wrap my DAC coupling caps into this stuff. They make the paper also as adhesive tape to wrap cables in it.
It's not cheap, but I bet that it comes out cheaper than a bunch of Ferrishield and it essentially does the same thing.
Peter
It's not cheap, but I bet that it comes out cheaper than a bunch of Ferrishield and it essentially does the same thing.
Peter
Beads work by acting as a resistive element. The reactive portion can usually be ignored. Absorbers are a different beast.
100 Euros for 20 or so beads????? I am in the wrong business. An expensive bead, such as a very large one, doesn't cost more than $1 or so. Unless you buy from the wrong supplier.
Jocko
100 Euros for 20 or so beads????? I am in the wrong business. An expensive bead, such as a very large one, doesn't cost more than $1 or so. Unless you buy from the wrong supplier.
Jocko
Are you guys kidding?
...or did you also pay $100 for your mains power cables? If the latter is the case, please disregard the following commentary.
Ferrite beads will attenuate some high frequency stuff when placed *around* a conductor, creating an inductor with a specific reactance beginning at specific frequencies.
Ferrite beads around the leads of ICs might make some sense, but good luck finding a bead that will fit around adjacent legs of an IC *and* do any good.
...or did you also pay $100 for your mains power cables? If the latter is the case, please disregard the following commentary.
Ferrite beads will attenuate some high frequency stuff when placed *around* a conductor, creating an inductor with a specific reactance beginning at specific frequencies.
Ferrite beads around the leads of ICs might make some sense, but good luck finding a bead that will fit around adjacent legs of an IC *and* do any good.
It is not semantics, bub........
It is fundamental to understanding how they work.
http://www.ferronics.com/files/BeadCurves.pdf
http://www.ferronics.com/files/Beads.pdf
I don't want to have to 'splain this again.
Jocko
It is fundamental to understanding how they work.
http://www.ferronics.com/files/BeadCurves.pdf
http://www.ferronics.com/files/Beads.pdf
I don't want to have to 'splain this again.
Jocko
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