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Old 7th January 2005, 07:41 PM   #11
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What.......the patents have expired.........! Stop production because of that? Heavens, no. What evil capitalists.

If they are available at 25%, it won't be from them. Some cheap copy, somewhere out of China no doubt, with questionable reliability.

Then we can have endless threads about counterfeit Black Gates. Boy, I can't wait!

Yeah, I guess that we will find out.

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Old 7th January 2005, 07:48 PM   #12
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Isn't it possible that Rubycon is stopping production on the Blackgate capacitors simply because the patents have expired? The patents date from 1978.
These patents expired 1998.

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Old 7th January 2005, 08:10 PM   #13
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Then we can have endless threads about counterfeit Black Gates. Boy, I can't wait!
I don't see why there are more likely to be counterfeit BGs in the future because of patent issues. Counterfeits are by definition not respecting the patent, no? This comment doesn't make sense to me

Yes, I was saying the 25% a bit ironically, but there is a chance that Rubycon will sell the same technology cheaper under a different name if they don't have to give a cut to Blackgate. That is a true cost savings that they may decide to pass along for their own (not altruistic) reasons such as expanding the market or some such. There isn't a lot of reason to assume that they necessarily cost many times the price of a conventional cap to make is there?

Don't different countries have different lengths of time that patents apply?
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Old 7th January 2005, 08:19 PM   #14
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Don't different countries have different lengths of time that patents apply?
No, the maximum duration of an international patent is 20 years.

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Old 7th January 2005, 10:24 PM   #15
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Rubycon stopped producing Black Gate capacitors for Jelmax company because Rubycon adapted its production lines for producing organic semiconductor capacitors ( for computer mainboards ) so demand can be satisfied. Volumes of those caps are way bigger than caps for audio and thus more profitable for Rubycon.

Jelmax even wanted dealers to sign a petition for convincing Rubycon to continue production of BG. Jelmax is a trading company that owns the patents of BG but outsources production to other companies like Rubycon.

Dealers of BG were informed of all this, it has nothing to do with patents AFAIK.

There is still stock of BG so availability isn't a problem ( yet ).
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Old 9th January 2005, 01:43 AM   #16
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I am a blackgate dealer and it is true, however some values could still be ordered due to large quantitys.

However, I would not use blackgates anymore in any of my projects unless it is a value that I really need that no one else can fullfill. I would use the Rubycon ZA/ZL caps for a direct, and superoior replacement. They sound faster, cleaner, and provide better clarity/vividness. These are far better than the N series BG. I have tested mulitple upon multiple of times and the BG sounds slow and constricted. They are also much better than the Panny FC and the Os-Con. Those other caps just dont have the true naturalness and sound quality in my findings. Thanks

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Old 9th January 2005, 01:48 AM   #17
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Have you found Rubycon MBZ/MCZ caps have their specs better than ZA/ZL caps?
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Old 9th January 2005, 01:53 AM   #18
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Specs do not really mean anything I am finding out. It has to do with the material inside the cap. I have a whole bag of MBZ caps and have done extensive tests and they sound pretty bad in my opinion. No life in the music. They might be better for video circuitry because of the ESR ratings. I will try these in that application. We constantly try new caps all the time. so far we are the most impressed by the ZA/ZL. I recommed using them in PCI audio cards applications and computer boards. (alot of manufacturuers use these on the motherboards).
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I am a blackgate dealer and it is true, however some values could still be ordered due to large quantitys.

However, I would not use blackgates anymore in any of my projects unless it is a value that I really need that no one else can fullfill. I would use the Rubycon ZA/ZL caps for a direct, and superoior replacement. They sound faster, cleaner, and provide better clarity/vividness. These are far better than the N series BG. I have tested mulitple upon multiple of times and the BG sounds slow and constricted. They are also much better than the Panny FC and the Os-Con. Those other caps just dont have the true naturalness and sound quality in my findings. Thanks

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Finally, a solution for the dreaded Electrolytic capacitor! The Black Gate capacitor is absolutely positively the best sounding in the world. Replacing stock electrolytic in your CD player, transport, dac, preamp, or amp will provide sonic improvement simply unattainable without. A quote from Peter Qvortrup from Audionote-UK "The Black Gate capacitor is the single biggest improvement to digital in the last 15 years" -We couldn't agree more! It is time to finally hear what you've been missing.
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Old 9th January 2005, 03:18 PM   #20
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This is old news and should be taken down be we havent had the time...soo busy right now.
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