Why that many DECOU pins?

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Konnichiwa,

roibm said:
Chip: TDA1541A
Decoupling pins: 14

The question is this: why that much decoupling? Why is it better(I assume it is better since they use that many)?
I mean, 8 wouldn't be enough? What are the advantages when using 14?

roibm said:
Sure they are, but why would they use 14 and not less?
That's what I try to understand.

The way the TDA1541 works is to use a swiched set of current sources which in effect auto-calibrate the Chip. The thing was called dynamic element matching and is one of the things that make teh TDA1541 so interesting.

The switching invariably generates "glitch" current spikes, which need to be "smoothed out". The number 14 is related to the fact that each channel has 6 active switched current sources for the lowest 6 bits and seventh followed by a passive divider(multiemitter transistor, not R2R - another eason for the unique sound quality) for the remaining 10 upper bits. That requires 7 decoupling points per DAC, as the TDA1541 contains 2 it needs 14.

Hence the answer "Those are a part of the silicone design." is completely correct if terse.

Sayonara
 
Re: Re: Why that many DECOU pins?

Kuei Yang Wang said:
Hence the answer "Those are a part of the silicone design." is completely correct if terse.

Peranders answer alone is trivial in the context of my question. I already knew they are used internally in some way, but I didn't know in what way.
Now, thanks to you, I understand it better. Do you happen to have a link to some internal details about this chip?

Arigatou
 
till said:

He needs to make about 100 posts each day on this board to show presence what helps to sell some gainclones or so.
I wouldn't be that harsh either. The main point is that I'm totally happy with his price for the gc boards. I find it 100% fare.
If it produces the results exposed by the two beta testers I'll be even happier.
 
Re: Re: Re: Why that many DECOU pins?

Konnichiwa,

roibm said:
Do you happen to have a link to some internal details about this chip?

No, my info comes from a large number of sheets from Philips from the early 80's showing the various technology behind the DAC and eventually the silicon layout down to individual transistor level. Highly interesting reading, but way too much to scan for me....

Sayonara
 
guytou said:
...or better decoupling cap , as some , and even Marantz do ?


Marantz in cd94MKII uses Arcotronics R75.But i think that SMD used in the cheapest model like 40, 50, 60, are better to various wima etc....(better tolerance, less ESL, no RF..)
But my questions it's another: how we could know what is the lead's number (or exact pin number) for the MSB bits??
The MSB it's a "I" impulse, right? It's larger than others bit? It needs some special track inside the IC?
TXS
Ciao
RR
 
riccardo said:


Hello, how we could know what is the lead's number (or pin number) for the MSB?
And, it is necessary to put in a greater value cap for decoupling that pin?

txs
RR


Riccardo,

Try here:- http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=346623#post346623

Jean-Paul uses the same value on all pins.

I don't think it's necessary to use a larger cap there!

See here for info on how tda1541a DEM works :-
http://www.semiconductors.philips.com/acrobat_download/various/DIGITAL.pdf which details DEM!

From this to optmise tda1541a performance a good power supply (to supply Iref), and DEM reclocking is needed:-

http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=370823#post370823

..tda1541a needs a stable 10v between -15v, and -5V but it's just a theory!

http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=143055


Kind regards,


Ashley.
 
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