There are recommendations to me about using the DCX2496 as an active crossover + equaliser.
Thinking about it, why do I need a behringer if I have a PC(quiet 2.4 Pentium 4), Brutefir is free, and I can get a quality Delta sound card for 2.5 times less money than a behringer. The future sub would be used to aid stereo music, thus I dont need many channels.
Is there a catch? (I think there is)
I searched, alot of the discussion is over the top as far as Im concerned. Whats this talk abt FIR filters,etc?
Thinking about it, why do I need a behringer if I have a PC(quiet 2.4 Pentium 4), Brutefir is free, and I can get a quality Delta sound card for 2.5 times less money than a behringer. The future sub would be used to aid stereo music, thus I dont need many channels.
Is there a catch? (I think there is)
I searched, alot of the discussion is over the top as far as Im concerned. Whats this talk abt FIR filters,etc?
Nothing wrong with that AFAICT but I personally don't like the idea of booting my PC whenever I want to listen to some music neither to have a PC where my listening environment is. Furthermore I am quite sure that some people would think that a PC is not producing quite the same quality as a PC would. Depending on your goal and budget it is either OK or not...
I've been going over the same research. Isn't it hard to believe that our powerful PC's don't have a readily available digital crossover solution!
As I said in another post, even my Eclipse car deck does digital crossover w/ a nice little gui interface w/ adjustable slope, etc.
It just seems silly in this day of cheap pc processing power to buy a separate peice of hardware for a few hundred bucks. Let me know what you are finding!
I really want to get into speaker building and it just seems like the entire passive crossover step shouldn't be necessary in this day and age. Maybe I'm wrong .. but after my experience with digital time correction, parametric eq, and digital crossovers in my car I'm sold on the concept of eliminating passive crossovers from the system. Any real reason not to be so sold?
As I said in another post, even my Eclipse car deck does digital crossover w/ a nice little gui interface w/ adjustable slope, etc.
It just seems silly in this day of cheap pc processing power to buy a separate peice of hardware for a few hundred bucks. Let me know what you are finding!
I really want to get into speaker building and it just seems like the entire passive crossover step shouldn't be necessary in this day and age. Maybe I'm wrong .. but after my experience with digital time correction, parametric eq, and digital crossovers in my car I'm sold on the concept of eliminating passive crossovers from the system. Any real reason not to be so sold?
You have seen this thread right??
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=32506
None of this is easy... but the results are well woth the effort.
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=32506
None of this is easy... but the results are well woth the effort.
MWP said:
Ive seen the thread, but most of it is just debate and some arguments between analog hardware vs digital people. theres another thread thats far more relevent in the loudspkeaer forum: http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=20283&perpage=10&highlight=&pagenumber=1
I think the difficulty is in designing FIR filters? A search on google proves me that designing FIR filters is completely out of my scope.
What I need is a brief outline of what has to be done.
After some more research I seem to get the picture. User friendly and ready made EQ/crossover programs use IIR filters, which have problems. There are no such programs made that use FIR filters, which exhibit less problems. Many people here of course, arent satisfied, and try to DIY their way out. Hence alot of the discussion I saw was from people (pioneers if you like) trying to deride programs that use FIR filters right and talking about all this complicated stuff, and thus I had no idea wat was going on. Of course the thought of me trying to design my own FIR software is ridiculous.
Since the Behringer DCX2496 use IIR filters, I might as well use a ready made software program. Either way I lose, and I ll have to wait until some person produces a user friendly FIR software package.
Is this wat is going on, or am I still off the track?
Since the Behringer DCX2496 use IIR filters, I might as well use a ready made software program. Either way I lose, and I ll have to wait until some person produces a user friendly FIR software package.
Is this wat is going on, or am I still off the track?
You dont have to write software, just use other peoples (though it still isnt easy).
I sugest you go look at "AlmusVCU":
http://www.ludd.luth.se/~torger/almusvcu.html
Its looking like a good single piece of software for config, creating filters and running them.
I sugest you go look at "AlmusVCU":
http://www.ludd.luth.se/~torger/almusvcu.html
Its looking like a good single piece of software for config, creating filters and running them.
I think you are overestimating my abilities. I happen to have recently discovered the benefits of dipoles and active crossovers, and people have said I can easily do it by using the behringer dcx2496. I just want around the same easy interface/usability(give or take a little) applied to a PC. Its a long way off in comparison to making filters, etc, and the DOS-like command line interfaceMWP said:
.edit: something like the kx-project that can support the creative EMU/M-Audio Delta semi-professional sound cards.
MWP said:
Agreed
But of course it means everything you play outside of Foobar (games, movies, etc) wont be xover'ed
So theres nothing user friendly that controls the card at the 'universal' level?
What about this?: http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=41278&highlight=kxproject
Is this what Im looking for, or did the guy have to do some programming/designing,etc to make the crossover/EQ work?
been looking forever for the same possibilities as you all are.
We need something that would work under Windows
and affect the output sound directly before the card output
so it could work with all applications ( music player, dvd, games..)
Also it would require to be able to use multi channel cards,
so with Xover filters, each channel would output for the specific amplifier/driver combo or output it all with the correct information on digital output !
Then we can add room corrections, and a parametric EQ or somethin better, and it would be heaven
i am sure that a good setup of direct X filters could provide near to this now, just didn't find the correct filters yet
need to be able to control the channel output on the card
+ Xovers and then add filters on top of each output!
using direct X could mean that it would work with games,DVD and correct confiture music player!
We need something that would work under Windows
and affect the output sound directly before the card output
so it could work with all applications ( music player, dvd, games..)
Also it would require to be able to use multi channel cards,
so with Xover filters, each channel would output for the specific amplifier/driver combo or output it all with the correct information on digital output !
Then we can add room corrections, and a parametric EQ or somethin better, and it would be heaven
i am sure that a good setup of direct X filters could provide near to this now, just didn't find the correct filters yet
need to be able to control the channel output on the card
+ Xovers and then add filters on top of each output!
using direct X could mean that it would work with games,DVD and correct confiture music player!
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