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Old 6th May 2004, 06:35 AM   #11
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Surely these caps are quite old (they seem to be made in the 80s), and yes, they are big.

I will open one and report my findings, even if I don't know what I should expect.

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Old 6th May 2004, 07:45 AM   #12
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Default KS or not KS, this is the question:

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Polyester 220nF 2.5cm long? Hardly.
Pedja,

You`re probably right, sorry I did not notice the measure in the picture.
OTOH when You have seen 220nF caps the last time? Styroflex caps usually are not avaiable in such big values (mostly 47nF is the biggest value) and when this ones are high voltage types (250V or more) they are likely what I stated, Polyester.


Anyway, there should be caution though when buying those kind of caps. I once bought a bunch at a surplus clearout sale. They were advertised as KS caps but most of them where Polyester not KS although they looked almost the same. Some of them had even printed MKT on them. When You see those with values of 220nF (and sometime even more) and rated for >250V You can be almost sure that this are not KS caps even when they are is big as the ones we`re talking about.


Therefore I can only second what Bernhard said:
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Some people especially those who sell stuff on ebay call everything styroflex that looks like the caps in your pictures.
Recently I saw somebody offering 0,68F KS caps - they were ROE .....MKT (of course) - I told the seller about this ....he said thanks........but did not change his description
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Old 6th May 2004, 08:02 AM   #13
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Are those original styroflex caps?
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Default Re: KS or not KS, this is the question:

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Pedja,

You`re probably right, sorry I did not notice the measure in the picture.

I once bought a bunch at a surplus clearout sale. They were advertised as KS caps but most of them where Polyester not KS although they looked almost the same. Some of them had even printed MKT on them.
Apart from the ones with MKT printed on them, how did you understand they were polyester?

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Old 6th May 2004, 08:40 AM   #15
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Apart from the ones with MKT printed on them, how did you understand they were polyester?
For me there is no way other as to measure dissipation factor on a high performance digital LCR bridge at different frequencies. Real KS caps have dissipation factors towards zero whereas Polyester caps are much worse.

I did not know until recently myself that this type of caps might not be KS. Somebody told me and I went on to measure them .....since this I know that not everything is KS what looks alike.

BTW: attached a picture of a real high voltage KS cap (this ones are rare!). Only that You get a picture of how big those things are when they are real (this one is 47nF/630V).
Therefore I said when the 220n from Your picture is something around 250V or above rated they`re likely not KS even when they are 2,5cm long. In case they are "low voltage" rated (63V) it might be that they are KS indeed (but somehow I don`t believe it though).
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Old 6th May 2004, 09:13 AM   #16
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Are those original styroflex caps?
It`s hard to tell from this picture with certainty but I`m inclined to claim that this are original Siemens KS.
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Old 6th May 2004, 04:27 PM   #17
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Pedja,

You`re probably right, sorry I did not notice the measure in the picture.
OTOH when You have seen 220nF caps the last time? Styroflex caps usually are not avaiable in such big values (mostly 47nF is the biggest value) and when this ones are high voltage types (250V or more) they are likely what I stated, Polyester.

Anyway, there should be caution though when buying those kind of caps. I once bought a bunch at a surplus clearout sale. They were advertised as KS caps but most of them where Polyester not KS although they looked almost the same. Some of them had even printed MKT on them. When You see those with values of 220nF (and sometime even more) and rated for >250V You can be almost sure that this are not KS caps even when they are is big as the ones we`re talking about.
Cocolino,

If they are from Eastern Germany, then they are at least 15 years old. Quite easily the number 81 that can be seen in the pic posted by Andrea (on the one cap, 83 on the other, if I see this well) might be the year of production.

Rel-cap is/was making styrenes in the values up to 1.5uF. I am just looking one catalogue that says 150nF/100V RTX styrene is 2.5cm long.

As about the other things you have said, yes, the man should be very careful with sellers of such things.

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Pedja, you are right, the caps were made around 1980.
Today I dismantled a dented one and can say (no photos tough) that is (quite obviously) made of two metal sheets rolled together with in between the styrene dyelectric. The pins are quite bold and not exactly on the axis of the cap but rather on the middle point of the armatures for constructive reasons.

The risk was minimal, I paid less than 10 (including transport which was about 5) for 25 of these (well.. 24 now ) and 25 1,5 nF... anyway I tend to believe they are genuine.

The question is: are such caps any better than MKPs?

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The question is: are such caps any better than MKPs?
The answer to your question is very simple: Just put them in a circuit and listen. Nobody will tell you better
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Default Styroflex caps for TDA1541A

hi peter,

how about this styroflex caps performance compare with the western germany ERO caps KT18XX series.

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