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Old 30th March 2004, 09:00 AM   #1
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Default DVD-Consortium vs. SONY/Philips or...

The mighty battle: Matsushita, Warner-AOL & rest of the world vs. Sony, Philips or just simple DVD-Audio vs. SACD.*

1. After reading many documents and scientific discussions I come to the conclusion that SACD can't hold the promise of it's advantages in the real world.

2. After many listening tests I found out that DVD-Audio sounds somewhat more organic and more neutral than SACD. With all SACD's I have the feeling that it sounds a little synthetic. But please don't forget that both formats are much better than 16bit CD.


*=Denon is neutral, Pioneer is friendly towards Sony/Philips
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Old 30th March 2004, 10:23 AM   #2
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DVD-Audio sounds somewhat more organic and more neutral than SACD. With all SACD's I have the feeling that it sounds a little synthetic
thats exactly how i use to descripe the difference between 1 bit and multibit dacs...........
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Old 30th March 2004, 12:23 PM   #3
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Really? Do you think 1-bit or DSD doesn't have a chance against PCM? Do you think that the reason for the more neutral & organic sound with PCM is the multibit stream?
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Old 30th March 2004, 12:54 PM   #4
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The problems/differences may very well be caused afterwards.

There is one huge difference between DSD and PCM one has to be aware of. DSD delivers always the same output level (i.e. power to be exact) independant of information. What changes is the spectral distribution of the output signal. If the level of the actual signal is low then there is a lot of high-frequency hash present, which might lead to problems within subsequent stages (i.e. pre- and power amps) although the audio content per se is O.K. The residual of this noise (that passes the output filter) can be quite significant.

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Old 30th March 2004, 02:16 PM   #5
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But please don't forget that both formats are much better than 16bit CD.
I do not believe that SACD is better than 16bit CD , and I do not need to forget about it.



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Old 30th March 2004, 06:38 PM   #6
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I do not believe that SACD is better than 16bit CD , and I do not need to forget about it.




Very funny indeed Maybe you are in the wrong forum here, you should look for the Vatican-Catholic forum where lies are on the order. You know 24 bit is not just a good idea it is better by law - end of discussion. Even a 16bit CD upscaled to 24/192 - downscaled to 16bit with UV22-HR renderer sounds better than the original.
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Old 30th March 2004, 06:58 PM   #7
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You know 24 bit is not just a good idea it is better by law - end of discussion
perhaps - but its not only in the bits, there's a million other things goin' on in a cd/dvd-player.....
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Even a 16bit CD upscaled to 24/192 - downscaled to 16bit with UV22-HR renderer sounds better than the original.
May i ask how this should work? Any reference for this?
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Old 30th March 2004, 07:20 PM   #9
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Very funny indeed Maybe you are in the wrong forum here, you should look for the Vatican-Catholic forum where lies are on the order. You know 24 bit is not just a good idea it is better by law - end of discussion. Even a 16bit CD upscaled to 24/192 - downscaled to 16bit with UV22-HR renderer sounds better than the original.
Where did the 24 bits come from? I think Stefano was talking
about SACD.
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