Quality CD-Mechanisms are long gone - let us build one ourselves!

I have not read most of the 66 pages, and I have tried searching to find if using CD rippers has been discussed (didn't find anything)

Apart from the nostalgia factor, what value would building a high-end CD transport have in a world where with a PC and minimal effort I can get a bit-perfect copy of any CD ripped to a lossless digital file? Once the CDs are stored in digital files, there are multiple options to send them to a very high quality DAC with negligible jitter, well above what a mechanical drive can achieve.

Storage costs next to nothing even for large collections, and a Raspberry Pi4 can stream any digital file to a very high quality DAC for a negligible cost

I mean, I can sorta understand the vinyl nostalgia, but with CDs none of those (bogus) considerations apply. Having a rotating CD to play music is obsolete, wasteful (lots of power for nothing) and prone to mechanical errors, including vibrations and degradation. In any case you have a digital stream being converted by a DAC. And starting from a digital file is much better than a mechanical medium

What am I missing?
I both agree, and disagree with the above: whilst I'd like to have music on a solid state memory thing, with spdif out, I still think that a JVC xl-vl, or JVC Ca-fssd 550r, or Acousticplan Vardi, or any CD player by Bang and Olfson are really cool. I'm currently tempted by " wall mounted CD player " on amazon.
 
I both agree, and disagree with the above: whilst I'd like to have music on a solid state memory thing, with spdif out, I still think that a JVC xl-vl, or JVC Ca-fssd 550r, or Acousticplan Vardi, or any CD player by Bang and Olfson are really cool. I'm currently tempted by " wall mounted CD player " on amazon.
I propose building a device on the basis of the B&O CD player, or any other player where the disc is visible, the device buttons are also sending data to a Raspberry Pi, together with the CD info. The RasPi has access to all your CDs on a SSD and, upon receiving the "Play" command and the CD information, starts playing the same tracks thru a modern, high quality DAC. The CD mechanism is purely decorative at that point

:)

Best of both worlds: nostalgia and high quality music.

I can see how some people might appreciate the nostalgic aspect of CD players, but that's not a market big enough to justify a device like the one that started this thread. Any used CD player will better address the nostalgic needs of those people.
 
Being the thread starter I cannot emphasize enough we need specialist to
do the reverse engeneering, especially for optics and mechanics. There are no patents
anymore. So again, everyone who is willing to
put time and effort into it is very welcome. In the moment
we need someone to do the optical calculations...

Hi Salar,

I have read all 34 pages, it has been a bumpy ride but very thought provoking.

I don't have anything to contribute technically, this stuff is way beyond me mostly and I applaud you for wanting to build something of quality that could solve the problem of how we are all going to play our CD's when most of the original mechanisms wear out. I for one would be interested in buying into that.

So, it seems that you are looking for somebody with specialist knowledge of Optics and specifically Laser-Optics ??. I think the problem here is that this forum is popular amongst hobbyists (although having said that the knowledge here is astounding to me, but of course there are also some professional repair technicians in here too) so it is kind of unlikely that the person you are looking for reads this forum.

I suspect you already have access to a lot of literature on the subject so is it possible that the person you seek is mentioned in there ? e.g. maybe somebody working at Philips or Sony who was in on the original development of CD drives and who might be interested in passing on some of their knowledge. Heck they may even have substantial notes they are willing to give you access to, it might be worth asking at least.

Just trying to keep this going, it would be a crying shame to have to give up a great idea for the want of that little bit of help you need. I'm happy to to help you in the search if that is any real help.

Cheers
Mike
 
Optical disc transport mechanisms are still being mass-produced for Blu-ray players. Nearly all Blu-ray players are capable of playing other disc formats such as DVD, CD, & SACD.

Is there any chance that a mass-produced Blu-ray optical transport could be used as the foundation for a DIY CD transport?
(& perhaps SACD also)

For example: Sony UBP-X800M2
This is Sony’s current model of premium-grade Ultra-HD (4K video) universal disc player.
It plays Blu-ray, DVD, CD, & SACD formats.
Note: The Sony UBP-X800M2 has no analog outputs for audio or video.
It has only HDMI for combined video/audio output and a standard “orange” RCA jack for SPDIF digital audio output.​

-EB

X800M2 has no front panel display, needs to be connected to an HDMI display. Last year picked up an X800M2 on black friday sale to compare the s/pdif RCA output against an old DVP-NS500V, both into an external DAC; unfortunately, the NS500V (with about 1600 hrs accumulated CD playback time) sounded better.

perhaps the X800M2's (and other universal player's) optics are compromised with respect to CD playback at 780nm IR wavelengths, with the universal blu-ray using 405nm.

Pure CD (IR 780nm only) or CD/DVD (780/650nm) optical assemblies might be a better starting point for lowest error rates (both C1 and C2)
 
I currently use a Sony blu-ray player as a CD transport, but it doesn't read some discs ( notably led zep and RUSH ) properly ( you can just here the music above a load of mush ), I have no idea if it's some copyright thing on the Sony, or I've just got the settings wrong. I bought the Sony ( £133.00p ) because it has comparable jitter values to a £ 8,000.00p Esoteric transport.