CS8414 v 8412

fmak · 13th March 2002, 07:27 AM

Elliott (Counterpoint Service) suggests replacing DACs with CS8412 with 8414 for improved sound. Anyone tried this?

Josep · 18th March 2002, 10:24 AM

I replaced the CS8412 by the CS8414 in my Counterpoint DA-10 and the result are very impressive.
The problem is the different format (I use an Adapter SOIC to DIL) and this chip is difficult to find in Europe.

stewcle · 18th March 2002, 07:52 PM

I have some extra CS8414's if you are interested my cost was $14 plus whatever postage needed.

Email me at stewcle@yahoo.com

Elso Kwak · 24th March 2002, 07:31 AM

Hi Josep,
Very interesting! Did you use the "Wildmonkeysects" loopfilter on the CS8412? What are the differences in sound between the CS1812 & 8414? Could you elaborate on that?

Never thought the CS8414 was better on redbook CD's (44.1 kHz sampling frequency)

Josep · 28th March 2002, 03:52 PM

Elso,

I dont know how loopfilter is implemented in my DA-10,
I only changed the receiver and the the result are more detail, better bass and sound more natural and musical.

Mike Elliot (Counterpoint) speak about this in www.altavistaaudio.com/DA-10.html

fmak · 28th March 2002, 04:11 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Elso Kwak

Can you explain what the loop filter is? I shall try it.

Elso Kwak · 28th March 2002, 06:05 PM

Hi Josep ,
<B>T</B>hanks for the answer, I will give it try. Which DAC are you using with the CS8414?

Fmak you can find the loopfilter for the CS8414 here:
http://www.audioasylum.com/audio/twe...ges/44352.html
and the loop filter for the CS8412 here:
http://www.audioasylum.com/audio/twe...ges/30297.html

I am a bit puzzled by the advice of Mike Elliot as the loopfilter for the CS8414 is different from the loopfilter of the CS8412! After exchanging the IC the loop filter should be modified too!

Josep I envie you for being the owner of a DA-10. Very nice piece of equipment.

fmak · 28th March 2002, 07:51 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Elso Kwak

Different designers/manufacturers use different values, presumably optimised. Why call it loop filter?

Elso Kwak · 28th March 2002, 07:59 PM

Hi fmak,
It is a low pass filter for the PLL (Phase Locked Loop) of the CS8412 or 8414; hence the name loopfilter.

Elso Kwak · 14th April 2002, 09:04 PM

Hi Josep,
I just compared the CS8414 with the CS8412 in my NON-OS KWAK-DAC. (AD1865N-K).
I can <B>NOT</B> confirm your findings; on the contrary bass is slightly less with the CS8414. But the other attributes you described are very similar to the CS18412.

13th March 2002, 07:27 AM	#1
fmak diyAudio Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: London UK	CS8414 v 8412 Elliott (Counterpoint Service) suggests replacing DACs with CS8412 with 8414 for improved sound. Anyone tried this?

18th March 2002, 10:24 AM	#2
Josep diyAudio Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Europe	CS8412 replacement I replaced the CS8412 by the CS8414 in my Counterpoint DA-10 and the result are very impressive. The problem is the different format (I use an Adapter SOIC to DIL) and this chip is difficult to find in Europe.

18th March 2002, 07:52 PM	#3
stewcle diyAudio Member Join Date: Dec 2001	CS8414 I have some extra CS8414's if you are interested my cost was $14 plus whatever postage needed. Email me at stewcle@yahoo.com

24th March 2002, 07:31 AM	#4
Elso Kwak Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Zamboanga, City of Flowers, Mindanao	CS8414 vs. CS8412 Hi Josep, Very interesting! Did you use the "Wildmonkeysects" loopfilter on the CS8412? What are the differences in sound between the CS1812 & 8414? Could you elaborate on that? Never thought the CS8414 was better on redbook CD's (44.1 kHz sampling frequency)

28th March 2002, 03:52 PM	#5
Josep diyAudio Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Europe	Re: CS8414 vs. CS8412 Elso, I dont know how loopfilter is implemented in my DA-10, I only changed the receiver and the the result are more detail, better bass and sound more natural and musical. Mike Elliot (Counterpoint) speak about this in www.altavistaaudio.com/DA-10.html


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28th March 2002, 04:11 PM	#6
fmak diyAudio Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: London UK	Re: CS8414 vs. CS8412 [QUOTE]Originally posted by Elso Kwak Can you explain what the loop filter is? I shall try it.

28th March 2002, 06:05 PM	#7
Elso Kwak Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Zamboanga, City of Flowers, Mindanao	CS8414 vs. CS8412 Hi Josep , <B>T</B>hanks for the answer, I will give it try. Which DAC are you using with the CS8414? Fmak you can find the loopfilter for the CS8414 here: http://www.audioasylum.com/audio/twe...ges/44352.html and the loop filter for the CS8412 here: http://www.audioasylum.com/audio/twe...ges/30297.html I am a bit puzzled by the advice of Mike Elliot as the loopfilter for the CS8414 is different from the loopfilter of the CS8412! After exchanging the IC the loop filter should be modified too! Josep I envie you for being the owner of a DA-10. Very nice piece of equipment.

28th March 2002, 07:51 PM	#8
fmak diyAudio Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: London UK	Re: CS8414 vs. CS8412 [QUOTE]Originally posted by Elso Kwak Different designers/manufacturers use different values, presumably optimised. Why call it loop filter?

28th March 2002, 07:59 PM	#9
Elso Kwak Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Zamboanga, City of Flowers, Mindanao	loopfilter Hi fmak, It is a low pass filter for the PLL (Phase Locked Loop) of the CS8412 or 8414; hence the name loopfilter.

14th April 2002, 09:04 PM	#10
Elso Kwak Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Zamboanga, City of Flowers, Mindanao	Sound of CS8414 vs CS8412 on "Redbook" CD's Hi Josep, I just compared the CS8414 with the CS8412 in my NON-OS KWAK-DAC. (AD1865N-K). I can <B>NOT</B> confirm your findings; on the contrary bass is slightly less with the CS8414. But the other attributes you described are very similar to the CS18412.

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