Hello Everyone,
I've got a California Audio Labs Delta transport that just died. It was working flawlessly in my backup system and no longer works after sitting for a month.
Yes, the unit powers up and all functions seem fine. With the cover off, when a disc is inserted the laser attempts to focus but the disc doesn't spin.
Is there any way to check to see if the laser diode is operating?
It is my understanding that the disc won't spin if the laser can't focus on the disc. Is this correct?
Any suggestions as to what else may be wrong and what I might check?
If I had to guess, the transport looks to be made by Technics. The cd tray says CR2 at the rear. Most of the chips have the Technics name on them.
Silkscreened on the main board are also CU3C and RJB1123A.
Does anyone know for certain who built this transport? Also, what the specific model number is and where I might be able to purchase one?
What about any other cd player models that also use the same transport that I might be able to pickup used?
Finally, does there happen to be an upgraded mechanism that might interchange and replace this one?
I'll attach several pics so you know a bit more..
Any help would be very much appreciated!
Thanks,
I've got a California Audio Labs Delta transport that just died. It was working flawlessly in my backup system and no longer works after sitting for a month.
Yes, the unit powers up and all functions seem fine. With the cover off, when a disc is inserted the laser attempts to focus but the disc doesn't spin.
Is there any way to check to see if the laser diode is operating?
It is my understanding that the disc won't spin if the laser can't focus on the disc. Is this correct?
Any suggestions as to what else may be wrong and what I might check?
If I had to guess, the transport looks to be made by Technics. The cd tray says CR2 at the rear. Most of the chips have the Technics name on them.
Silkscreened on the main board are also CU3C and RJB1123A.
Does anyone know for certain who built this transport? Also, what the specific model number is and where I might be able to purchase one?
What about any other cd player models that also use the same transport that I might be able to pickup used?
Finally, does there happen to be an upgraded mechanism that might interchange and replace this one?
I'll attach several pics so you know a bit more..
Any help would be very much appreciated!
Thanks,
Attachments
Hello Steve,
That looks like a Panasonic Traverse Deck Assembly RAE0113Z.
Wes/Wagner Catalogue .
Wes Components list it at AUS$83.75.
The spin motors on all these machines can develop dead spots on the spin motor commutator causing non starting of disc rotation.
Try giving the disc a flick during initialisation and maybe it will work - if so let me know and I will tell you how to cure this.
Hope this helps,
Eric.
That looks like a Panasonic Traverse Deck Assembly RAE0113Z.
Wes/Wagner Catalogue .
Wes Components list it at AUS$83.75.
The spin motors on all these machines can develop dead spots on the spin motor commutator causing non starting of disc rotation.
Try giving the disc a flick during initialisation and maybe it will work - if so let me know and I will tell you how to cure this.
Hope this helps,
Eric.
Hi,
Steve here is source for rae0113z. I order one from them and installed on my Delta. http://www.electronix.com/catalog/a...16fdf95f19289e2e6f4&keywords=rae0113z&x=0&y=5
Steve here is source for rae0113z. I order one from them and installed on my Delta. http://www.electronix.com/catalog/a...16fdf95f19289e2e6f4&keywords=rae0113z&x=0&y=5
This is the same exact mechanism that I have in my Adcom GCD-750, which I'm having short-range skipping problems with. I thought I would get the whole Traverse Deck when I ordered this part(RAE0113Z) the unit skips a little ahead and then sometimes backwards. I'm thinking this could be a motor problem?
here are the descriptions various components present:
Signal Processing LSI for Compact Disc Players
http://www.ortodoxism.ro/datasheets/panasonic/MN66271RA.pdf
4-Bit Microcontroller "drive controller"
http://www.tranzistoare.ro/datasheets/1150/502467_DS.pdf
Quad Line Driver:
http://www.ortodoxism.ro/datasheets/motorola/MC3487P.pdf
Programmable Timer
http://www.ortodoxism.ro/datasheets2/6/0ezcs2uq1gd9wfk8foog7y173epy.pdf
Googling i2s and MN66271RA brings up three excellent looking links... problem is they are all in Russian. Seems it may be possible... can anyone help me out with the Russian?
Signal Processing LSI for Compact Disc Players
http://www.ortodoxism.ro/datasheets/panasonic/MN66271RA.pdf
4-Bit Microcontroller "drive controller"
http://www.tranzistoare.ro/datasheets/1150/502467_DS.pdf
Quad Line Driver:
http://www.ortodoxism.ro/datasheets/motorola/MC3487P.pdf
Programmable Timer
http://www.ortodoxism.ro/datasheets2/6/0ezcs2uq1gd9wfk8foog7y173epy.pdf
Googling i2s and MN66271RA brings up three excellent looking links... problem is they are all in Russian. Seems it may be possible... can anyone help me out with the Russian?
First - THANK-YOU to all posters, especially apogee, mrfeedback, and prelude, for their useful posts. I am attempting to swap out my deck assembly based on their encouraging posts. (My alpha has the same sporadic not-spinning conditin described in this thread.)
Second - CAUTION to anybody planning to do this - the part numbers used for all delta transports are not all the same. Not all are REA0113Z! Mine looks to be RAE0111Z.
Photos can be found here, to confirm you actual needed part #.
http://www.agencies.com.sg/cdpickup/RAE0113Z.htm
http://www.agencies.com.sg/cdpickup/RAE0111Z.htm
http://www.agencies.com.sg/browse.asp?cid=7&keyword=&pageno=24&concatstr=0,&pop=0&id=0&numrow=11
As of Jan. '08 both RAE0111Z and RAE0113Z can be purchased at
http://www.electronix.com
Second - CAUTION to anybody planning to do this - the part numbers used for all delta transports are not all the same. Not all are REA0113Z! Mine looks to be RAE0111Z.
Photos can be found here, to confirm you actual needed part #.
http://www.agencies.com.sg/cdpickup/RAE0113Z.htm
http://www.agencies.com.sg/cdpickup/RAE0111Z.htm
http://www.agencies.com.sg/browse.asp?cid=7&keyword=&pageno=24&concatstr=0,&pop=0&id=0&numrow=11
As of Jan. '08 both RAE0111Z and RAE0113Z can be purchased at
http://www.electronix.com
Another caution -
I received the part RAE0111Z from Electronix today; it is only a small sub-assembly of the larger deck pictured in links of my previous post. It is only the laser (about the size of a US quarter, see attached photo), not the larger assembly (about 2" by 3") that includes the spindle motor that I had expected based on the pictures. I believe the spindle motor is most likely the source of my transport's problem.
In fairness to Electronix, the linked pictures are NOT from their site. They list only part numbers, and they have agreeed to a return and refund.
I am not sure, part number wise, of how to distinguish the smaller from larger part. Anyone pursuing this fix should be cautious about what they are actually buying
I received the part RAE0111Z from Electronix today; it is only a small sub-assembly of the larger deck pictured in links of my previous post. It is only the laser (about the size of a US quarter, see attached photo), not the larger assembly (about 2" by 3") that includes the spindle motor that I had expected based on the pictures. I believe the spindle motor is most likely the source of my transport's problem.
In fairness to Electronix, the linked pictures are NOT from their site. They list only part numbers, and they have agreeed to a return and refund.
I am not sure, part number wise, of how to distinguish the smaller from larger part. Anyone pursuing this fix should be cautious about what they are actually buying
Any luck?
I was wondering if you have had any luck locating a RAE0113Z Traverse? My Acurus ACD-11 uses the same Transport.
I have e-mailed a few electronic parts houses on the net but no luck. It looks like I will be forced to send it to a repair house to have it done seeing the part is "Unatanium". If someone knows where I can purchase the Traverse Assembly, please let me know. I am sure silica would like to know too.
Thanks.
Mike
I was wondering if you have had any luck locating a RAE0113Z Traverse? My Acurus ACD-11 uses the same Transport.
I have e-mailed a few electronic parts houses on the net but no luck. It looks like I will be forced to send it to a repair house to have it done seeing the part is "Unatanium". If someone knows where I can purchase the Traverse Assembly, please let me know. I am sure silica would like to know too.
Thanks.
Mike
No luck
No, I havn't found another supplier for the complete transport as pictured in this link (one that includes the motors), but haven't looked since my last post, either.
http://www.agencies.com.sg/cdpickup/RAE0113Z.htm
Of the four or five suppliers that I originally querried, Electronix was the only one who had it, but what they had was only the small laser pick-up assembly (no motors).
No, I havn't found another supplier for the complete transport as pictured in this link (one that includes the motors), but haven't looked since my last post, either.
http://www.agencies.com.sg/cdpickup/RAE0113Z.htm
Of the four or five suppliers that I originally querried, Electronix was the only one who had it, but what they had was only the small laser pick-up assembly (no motors).
maybe here?
AA-Wolf:
Maybe here? Looks to be in the UK. "complete with mechanism" sounds encouraging.
http://www.dalbani.co.uk/catalogue/product_details.php?id=29687
send me an e-mail if you wish. I cannot e-mail from the forum yet.
AA-Wolf:
Maybe here? Looks to be in the UK. "complete with mechanism" sounds encouraging.
http://www.dalbani.co.uk/catalogue/product_details.php?id=29687
send me an e-mail if you wish. I cannot e-mail from the forum yet.
I can now confirm that "complete with mechanism" from www.dalbani.co.uk includes the laser pickup plus the assembly with spindle moter, transverse moter (not sure of proper name) and gears that move the laser. I purchased one from them and installed it in in my CAL Delta. So far so good, none of the previus sporadic read problems have occured after about five hours of playing.
The package was sent from the UK, arrived in a week.
I am not sure of the root cause of the original problem. I suspect that it was either the transverse mechanism binding, or the traverse motor quitting. Lubing the gears (screw) did not solve the problem. Replacing the entire mechanism was in large part an insurance against future failure of any other components. This mechanism is hard to find now, maybe impossible later. After the swap I have a 15 year old player with brand new moving parts (excluding drawer mechanism). Good for another 15 years?
The two most difficult parts of this swap were separating the mechanism from its circuit board, and putting the drawer mechanism together. The motors are soldered to a small circuit board. The four motor terminals must be de-soldered from the board to make the swap. The drawer has a white rack gear that must be positioned properly for it to engage with the pinion gear when the drawer closes. Some trial-and-error there.
The package was sent from the UK, arrived in a week.
I am not sure of the root cause of the original problem. I suspect that it was either the transverse mechanism binding, or the traverse motor quitting. Lubing the gears (screw) did not solve the problem. Replacing the entire mechanism was in large part an insurance against future failure of any other components. This mechanism is hard to find now, maybe impossible later. After the swap I have a 15 year old player with brand new moving parts (excluding drawer mechanism). Good for another 15 years?
The two most difficult parts of this swap were separating the mechanism from its circuit board, and putting the drawer mechanism together. The motors are soldered to a small circuit board. The four motor terminals must be de-soldered from the board to make the swap. The drawer has a white rack gear that must be positioned properly for it to engage with the pinion gear when the drawer closes. Some trial-and-error there.
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