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Yes, interesting parallels with the process of hearing - the eye/brain can adapt to situations of extreme contrast, say, looking at a landscape where there is intense brightness in the sky and relative dark surface detail on the ground - in the mind's 'eye' the detail of both areas can be perceived at the 'same time', yet a conventional photo of that will be hopeless, the 'real' image won't match what the mind has made of what it sees.

And of course that is what happens in audio too - better systems allow the mind's ability to create an effective balance between the 'light and shade' in the sound to fully engage ...
 
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If you don't take the product seriously, why expend so much time and energy talking about it? Is it some kind of therapy because other people don't think the way you do? I don't see entire threads from people who like 'audiophool' products tearing apart those who roll their eyes at them.

It's like an obsession for some of you. I used to be on the 'objective' fence until I realized that word mostly meant sarcasm and put-downs and OMG ridiculous amounts of armchair psychology. There's another word for that kind of personality - well several - and it's no wonder there's a stark divide.
 
If you don't take the product seriously, why expend so much time and energy talking about it? Is it some kind of therapy because other people don't think the way you do? I don't see entire threads from people who like 'audiophool' products tearing apart those who roll their eyes at them.

It's like an obsession for some of you. I used to be on the 'objective' fence until I realized that word mostly meant sarcasm and put-downs and OMG ridiculous amounts of armchair psychology. There's another word for that kind of personality - well several - and it's no wonder there's a stark divide.

We are commenting on what is a badly looking put together product that cost thousands, in other cases we tend to comment on sheer frauds that defy the laws of physics. Most I know who do the same do so in a polite and respectful way (apart from certain devices), and generally just ask how or why someone thinks this product/idea works and what mechanisms are at play. So you are wrong in saying sarcasm and put-downs, a lot is open debate. This view of objectives (LOL, most are subjective as well, and most are more dedicated at forwarding sound reproduction than the majority of subjective audiophiles on this site) is based on engineering and physics principles.
I would suggest with views like you have (the inability to listen to the other sides view) you hang out on the many numerous Audiophile forums where the crazy views ideas cable worship can be conducted without any input allowed from objectives, or as I saw the other day a person who mentioned if there were any measurements call a troll.
Me I listen to all views (to do otherwise is a dangerous precedent as history has shown and still shows what narrow minded close viewed people are capable of in making others follow their views) and enjoy the debates we have here, often light hearted often frustrating but most importantly OPEN UNRESTRICTED DEBATE.
All most of us are trying to do is improve sound reproduction via good engineering practices, not hocus pocus voodoo.
I could say the same thing as you have only juxtaposed, as I have been insulted 4 times by subjective Audiophiles in the past several years I have been active, mostly regarding my equipment and thus I am not qualified to pass comment, again a narrow minded view. But mostly this is a fun site where some grumpy old objectives can vent their spleen and pour scorn on these poor defenceless subjective audiophiles.:)
 
There is a forum for subjectivists - Welcome to Hi-Fi Subjectivist - a hifi discussion group • Portal

It's run by Richard Dunn of NVA amplifiers. He posts there under the name Dr Bunsen Honeydew. I have had a few of his amps over the years and they are quite good. However watch out if you do take part, he can be very rude indeed if he doesn't like your approach and is well known for being nasty to people for no good reason.

I did agree with SOME of his wisdom over the years but by no means all.

For many years he regularly preached about the evils of upgrade mains cables and iec sockets in favour of cheap captive leads. He fell out with many people and was banned from several forums to the point where he started his own.

However he has recently changed his tune, after insulting people over this issue for many years. Apparently his latest and most expensive amps are so good that he can indeed hear an improvement by fitting an 'upgrade' mains cable, so much so that he has decided to start selling one. Please forgive me for being a tad cynical ;)

I just had a quick look at his forum and I see they have had a poll on which source sounds the best, vinyl gets 88% of the vote (all of 14 people decided that outcome)

I think i'll stick to being as open minded about things as I reasonably can be, for an objectivist :D

P/S sorry about the OT ramble but this thread appears to be going nowhere constructive now anyway.

Edit - I like how this forum somehow adds the words "&bull portal" at the end of links, very apt in the case of his forum I think.
 
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There is a forum for subjectivists

There's a difference between "subjective" and "irrational." Using human senses and judgements for evaluation is subjective and rational. Denying the basics about human sensory processing and refusing to do actual experiments that give results that are contrary to what one desires them to be is irrational.

It is only the irrational who censor views contrary to their own.
 
There is a lot to learn on this site, with some very knowledgeable contributors, I have had numerous of my past held beliefs regarding audio proved untrue in the past, but this has only helped me gain a better understanding of what is important, and do-able.
 
On the contrary, some issues are indeed solved, but some are indeed fruitful areas to research. I was fortunate enough to spend some time with a remarkable gadget (the Smyth Realiser) that would have been impossible 10 years ago.

"White Castle" has a different meaning in English than you suppose. What You Crave | White Castle


White Castle?

Should this have been "Ivory Tower", a term (at least in the USA) which refers to people who are isolated from the reality which they profess to be experts at?
 
Hi everyone. Normally I dont jump on forums because I poorly handle flame wars, as a buddist who has nothing but love and compassion for other people. But some explanation would be in place. Mr Sy seems to be very knowledgeable master, a mentor, who wrote quote: "unit that looks like it was vomited from a junk-box, then had the parts rearranged by a palsied lemur," Thats a very interesting and productive comment. I had a good laugh. Thats like a new way of saying "I am an ignorant and I judge other peoples work in electronics by looking at the parts if they are lied out neatly". What did I do to this gentlemen to trigger his flames? Did I cheat? Step on his toe ? Offend him ? I guess not. Maybe it is that people do not understand the electrical concepts we follow ? I know about EMC quite a lot and I know about neat construction too. We choose to wire point to point and not use PCB. We choose NOT to bundle wires which are better separated. We choose the parts that are best for the job and many users praise the sonic results. There are very specific reasons why we must use wooden blocks in a particular place and why we use three-dimensional point to point wiring and we do not disrespect EMC compatibility. In fact I am EMC specialist and I have done more professional EMC tests and approvals than all participants in this forum combined. So I dont know why we are accused of violations that nobody has any proof or grounds for. Mr Sy and Mr Marce enjoy criticizing our work , based on just looking at the picture or two and never hearing or testing our gear. Maybe they find it amusing but I dont know why it will remain on internet forever to repell all our customers who google Lampizator. Neither of them even bothered to email us and simply ask questions and get explanations. Who knows maybe their valid remarks would be taken into manufacturing practice. But it is so much easier to use vomit analogies and pretend to be a guru. I think I am wasting my time even writing this. HAve a good day. Lukasz Fikus owner and designer at Lampizator.
 
Dear Lukasz

I think you gave a proof of your civility not answering before, however you should have done it before. Dozens of messages to say that the layout looks ugly. I agree it's ugly, and so what? If you don't like it you don't buy it. Is is illegal to sell something which looks horrible?

I don't have experience with the Lampizator DAC but a close friend of mine built the Lampizator output stage for the SRC 2496 and we were all (a community of 9 audiophiles with years of listening experiences) amazed about how it sounded compared with super-priced equipment... for the records the comparison included an MBL dac-transport combo.

Good luck with your projects.
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Hi everyone. Normally I dont jump on forums because I poorly handle flame wars, as a buddist who has nothing but love and compassion for other people. But some explanation would be in place. Mr Sy seems to be very knowledgeable master, a mentor, who wrote quote: "unit that looks like it was vomited from a junk-box, then had the parts rearranged by a palsied lemur," Thats a very interesting and productive comment. I had a good laugh. Thats like a new way of saying "I am an ignorant and I judge other peoples work in electronics by looking at the parts if they are lied out neatly". What did I do to this gentlemen to trigger his flames? Did I cheat? Step on his toe ? Offend him ? I guess not. Maybe it is that people do not understand the electrical concepts we follow ? I know about EMC quite a lot and I know about neat construction too. We choose to wire point to point and not use PCB. We choose NOT to bundle wires which are better separated. We choose the parts that are best for the job and many users praise the sonic results. There are very specific reasons why we must use wooden blocks in a particular place and why we use three-dimensional point to point wiring and we do not disrespect EMC compatibility. In fact I am EMC specialist and I have done more professional EMC tests and approvals than all participants in this forum combined. So I dont know why we are accused of violations that nobody has any proof or grounds for. Mr Sy and Mr Marce enjoy criticizing our work , based on just looking at the picture or two and never hearing or testing our gear. Maybe they find it amusing but I dont know why it will remain on internet forever to repell all our customers who google Lampizator. Neither of them even bothered to email us and simply ask questions and get explanations. Who knows maybe their valid remarks would be taken into manufacturing practice. But it is so much easier to use vomit analogies and pretend to be a guru. I think I am wasting my time even writing this. HAve a good day. Lukasz Fikus owner and designer at Lampizator.
 
Mr Sy and Mr Marce enjoy criticizing our work
There is no enjoyment in it in the way you are insinuating. I work on numerous projects in the real world where I am heavily involved in the connectivity between systems on both the PCB and system level within a case, rack or box and system level between boxes.
I am making the call as a professional in this field and have stated it is my view on what I see before me. I am sorry if you do not like my criticism, but I stand by my views on what I have seen.
I am sorry but this is the world and you cannot expect to get glowing sycophantic praise from every angle all the time, in my case I take on the criticism and revue it and look at my practices as to what I can improve.
Your tone and reaction to our criticism is one I have become use to on Audio forums...

In fact I am EMC specialist and I have done more professional EMC tests and approvals than all participants in this forum combined
I doubt that as you do not know what other field others work in, or what level of EMC compatibility we have to work too.
As said I am sorry you have taken the criticism so badly, but as stated I stand by my comments, I am also qualified to make such comments, both from an EMC point of view and as someone who is involved and has been involved with the design, manufacture, testing and qualification of numerous electronic and electrical projects over many years.
 
...I am sorry but this is the world and you cannot expect to get glowing sycophantic praise from every angle all the time, in my case I take on the criticism and revue it and look at my practices as to what I can improve.
Your tone and reaction to our criticism is one I have become use to on Audio forums...

I feel that the tone of his response was rather reserved, particularly given the degree of derisive opinion expressed here regarding his product's value. May I suggest that the tone of your response to Lukasz was not equally reserved. The problem with this thread isn't the negative criticism of a commercial product. My problem, I think, is the derisively negative criticism by those having NO hands on, or more importantly, ears on experience with that product. The subsequent self-reinforcing, and quite smug, 'pilling on' has become a bit too common lately. Sycophantic behavior can be found in group derision as much as in group praise.

FYI - I have no relationship with Lukasz Fikus, nor do I own any of his products, nor have I ever auditioned any of his products.
 
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Well said Mr. Newton and Lucas. It seems everyone is so angry these days and often use Internet as a form of catharsis. It's inappropriate and childish. I've committed the same sins in the past, and the more I see it, the more I cringe. It's a free world still, and people have a right to criticize manufactures if they so desire. However, it would be more helpful to provide very specific and detailed and dare I say objectivist data to back up your statements....
 
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