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Old 31st October 2013, 08:42 AM   #61
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DF96 was alluring more to your comments on circuits are rather irrelevant etc I believe, and the fact that you state properly engineered circuits sound bad...They don't they sound good, in fact the best sounding circuit would be one that neither added or subtracted from the sound, and such a circuit takes engineering to create, lots to combat all the factors that can effect signal fidelity... Not some esoteric audiophile solution.
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Old 31st October 2013, 10:28 AM   #62
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Not quite sure how learning circuits will make a better listener. I do not care for respect here . After chasing my tail and spending chunk of time and money I decided that I'd rather be happy (idiot) than right.
Up to you. I prefer knowledge to ignorance. Learning about circuits won't make you a better or happier listener, but it will stop you from making silly remarks about circuits. It may stop you from wasting money. It may even help you choose the particular circuits which distort the sound in the way you prefer.
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Old 31st October 2013, 10:58 AM   #63
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I will try find the statement regarding the PCBs from his site. There does mlook to be some ground plane on the pictures but they are all either low quality or taken with such a small depth of field that details are not clear. (Oh I use the next to the bottom of the range Nikon DSLR, so I would presume that any comments I have about photos to be disregarded by the same rules as well).
FWIW, it's an Amanero USB board from what I've read.

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Old 31st October 2013, 03:03 PM   #64
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Up to you. I prefer knowledge to ignorance. Learning about circuits won't make you a better or happier listener, but it will stop you from making silly remarks about circuits. It may stop you from wasting money. It may even help you choose the particular circuits which distort the sound in the way you prefer.
The remarks were not silly just youre to stif and entrenched to get a context also most probably you dont have much exposure (like majority here otherwise they wouldnt be hanging on DIY forums ) regarding High end products which allows you to pointify.The consequences od such views are usually horryfic or grotesque sounding sound installations
and whats More the owners are very proud and encourage one another on forums like this .Im aware the same can be said of contradictory approach .
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Old 31st October 2013, 04:17 PM   #65
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To say that circuits are almost irrelevant to audio is silly.

I have no interest in 'high-end'; I prefer high fidelity. My system is for listening to music, not listening to the system. Those who prefer FX boxes (whether cheap or expensive, subtle or gross) will always complain when their favoured distortion is missing.
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Old 31st October 2013, 04:37 PM   #66
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The remarks were not silly just youre to stif and entrenched to get a context also most probably you dont have much exposure (like majority here otherwise they wouldnt be hanging on DIY forums ) regarding High end products which allows you to pointify.The consequences od such views are usually horryfic or grotesque sounding sound installations
I have noticed recently that some of the reply's to those of us who are more objective in our views have become rather patronising, I have been hit a couple of times in the last few days, once on this thread and once on another, with similar comments to the above, yet all we do (apart from eat popcorn) is give our views on a public forum. Views that in most cases are based on experience within the electronics industry. These narrow minded comments just show ignorance and misplaced beliefs, and I would dread to look at the systems of some with these narrow minded views.
But as I can only aspire to high end audio, I shall just go and listen to my Walkman, which to me is the pinnacle of sound reproduction and cassette's can not be beat for ultimate fidelity.
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Old 31st October 2013, 04:49 PM   #67
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I have no interest in 'high-end';
Shouldn't that be 'high horse'
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Old 31st October 2013, 04:49 PM   #68
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To say that circuits are almost irrelevant to audio is silly.

I have no interest in 'high-end'; I prefer high fidelity. My system is for listening to music, not listening to the system. Those who prefer FX boxes (whether cheap or expensive, subtle or gross) will always complain when their favoured distortion is missing.
Every 5th grade engineer knows those circuits somehow they design sonic turd after turd after turd . I'm perfectly aware that audio is engineering and nothing more . It just take the right electrician with a dose of imagination and sometimes ability to forget the dogma and what they were taught at school to create something of a value. At the end it's a personal choice what a hi-fi really is (the written axioms notwithstanding) . I decided to go for FX boxes and I'm not looking back.And no , I'm not willing to spend silly money on something like lampizator pictured in that thread.

Ps I really hope that you don't feel offended .Personally I don't invest any ego in my audio activities.
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Old 31st October 2013, 05:11 PM   #69
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With digital though you have to follow the rules and bow to physics, to get optimum signal integrity and minimise EMC problems.
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Old 31st October 2013, 05:42 PM   #70
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With digital though you have to follow the rules and bow to physics, to get optimum signal integrity and minimise EMC problems.
agreed , it was not my intention to patronize nor offend an engineers in you but I'm not going to shovel my experiences under the rug just because its either 0 or 1 to you and the rest is scam or high end foolishness which most is but not ALL
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