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Old 4th December 2003, 02:05 PM   #1
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Question Philips CD100

I have a working Philips CD100. I believe this is one of or the first commercially available CD Player. Can anyone tell me any more about it, where I could get a manual from, does it have any real value or is it just a novelty?

Many thanks - Chris
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Old 5th December 2003, 07:30 AM   #2
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Hello Chris,

Of course it is not a top player anymore. But even unmodded it can give a nice comparisson with modern players.

As there is a service obligation of 7 years getting a manual from the service organisation is difficult. But as there is a central service library your local service organisation might be willing to help you for such a product.

The adress ( I hope it is still valid) I have for you in the UK is:

Philips Consumer Electronics Service
420-430 London Road
Croydon CR9 3QR
Tel.: 0181-689 4444

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Old 5th December 2003, 07:35 AM   #3
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This is a good resource for manuals:
http://www.mauritron.co.uk/mauritron/
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Old 5th December 2003, 04:21 PM   #4
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Thanks for the replies, I'll try and persue those options. I also wondered if anybody out there has or had on of these? I have seen them mentioned in earlier threads but they never really went anywhere. Did the CD100 originally have an I/R remote control for example. I must admit it also sounds better than more modern kit I have had, I don't know why but it sounds more 'earthy' if that makes sense - could be my imagination tho! I have a feeling it would have been a very expensive toy when new in the early 80's, anybody have any idea how much?
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Guess it was around 2000.-DM ( approx. 1000Eur ) in 1982. Would like to own one for tweaking... you lucky guy
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Old 6th December 2003, 12:38 PM   #6
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Hi Ccooper 1

One good tip for the CD 100 is to take out the very long interconect and put some RCA .

That way you can use a better and specialy a "shorter" and less capacitif interconect...

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Old 8th December 2003, 09:17 PM   #7
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Jorge, sorry to correct you, but the cd100 does not have a captive phono lead - it has regular sockets on the back.

The cd100 never had a remote. As I understand it, it was the first CD player available on the uk market and it was expensive.

I also have a cd100 and it's a beautifully-made piece of kit. It's only problem is slow track access and bad handling of CDRs (having difficulty finding track starts, etc.) Anyone have any ideas for improving matters? The cd101 (my flatmate has one) is much better in this respect as it uses the later mech, but its not quite as pretty!

I have considered modding mine, but it's difficult to know where to start. Anyone have any experience? The Meridian MCD and MCD pro were both modified versions of the Philips cd101. The MCD had constant power-on/standby and upgraded analogue circuitry/output stage. My Philips sounds better after a good chance to warm up, and it gets pretty hot.

All of these players are nice to use with the exception of a few quirks. Sonically, I find the cd100 generally very good, with a very solid clear sound, good dynamics, and good bass. On the down side, it can sound a little harsh in the top end, and it lacks the sence of 'space' and rhythmic timing that you can get from the better modern players. The cd101 sounds pretty much the same to my ears.

The MCD sounds similar, but much smoother than the vanilla Philips, so I suspect that mods to the output stage would go some way to improving quality. I'd be interested to find out whether it was possible to clock the player though, as I suspect that this could provide a significant upgrade. Does anyone know if this is possible?

Incidentally, I've heard the MCD pro too and I don't particularly like it... It was significantly re-worked, with a separate box for the dac. Described by a friend as sounding "gutless" which I'd agree with. Weird, huh? Maybe they were trying too hard...

I've been told that the player uses a 12-bit DAC, but I'm not sure this is accurate. If it's the case then maybe that's likely to be the limiting factor in the player's sound. If anyone has any ideas I'd love to hear them. In the meantime, my flatmate also has a broken MCD, so maybe I should have a poke around inside and see if I can get any ideas...
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It uses two 14 bit mono DAC's (TDA1540). I have a B&O CD-X which is based on the CD104.

Making mods will be difficult, but there is a post out here where somebody was going to try to connect a TDA1541 DAC with no oversampling. This should be possible (put it in a mode where there are two separate pins for left and right digital data), but i did not see a response on the forum.

I'm not going to do much mods to my cdx, since there is little space inside. I think that accounts for all of those players, since all is mounted in the heavy subchassis and there is not much space around that. And the chassis is full with pcb's, since there are many digital chips around. Not so integrated as later models (separate error correction, decoder, etc).

Only modding on component level is than a good option (opamps, caps etc).

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Old 9th December 2003, 07:38 PM   #9
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Thanks guido.

That's all very interesting... and you're totally right about the lack of internal space.

I've owned CD104s before and I reckon that these sound a little better than the CD100. They got better reviews at the time. Maybe it's worth having a look inside one of those before considering mods. I always understood it that they were based on later-generation chips, but maybe just for error-correction etc...

It's strange that the B&O is related to the CD104 because it looks so much like a CD100.

Let me know if you find out anything else. Or if anyone else has direct experience... If I look inside the meridian and philips i will post a comparison. Could be interesting.
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Originally posted by bluetomgold
Jorge, sorry to correct you, but the cd100 does not have a captive phono lead - it has regular sockets on the back.

Yes ...you are right! I was making confusion with the Philips CD 202...
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