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Old 21st April 2013, 09:00 PM   #1
ATAUDIO is offline ATAUDIO  Austria
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Hi, sorry for the basic question, but I am new of this matter.
So I have my old beloved CDs from the 80s and I do realise that they will not last forever. I lost already a first edition of Pink Floyd´s " Whish You Where Here", to just to say the pain. In the past I had some of them converted in MP3s with altern results. So here are the my two questions.

1) What is basically the best PC system to make a digital backup copy of them?
I am inclinded to use some Linux PC and some old expensive Plextor SCSI drive to read them, but I have also some modern machines with modern CD/DVD readers. Also I can setu ip a Sun Sparc workstation in case

2) What file format for maximum fidelity and future-proofness? I would like to avoid proprietary (i.e. Apple, Microsoft) format.
Thanks in advance
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Old 21st April 2013, 09:02 PM   #2
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I use Free-rip and it will convert to what ever format you want.

I use it to convert cdrom to .wma files for my mp3 player.
Murton-Pike Systems PCBCAD51 pcb design software.
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Old 21st April 2013, 09:09 PM   #3
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Thanks For the quick answer . This answers my 2nd question.

What about the 1st? I know that some older (they called them AAD) CSs are "harder" to read on modern ulötra-fast readers and give in reading errors and horrible "cracks" in the converted recording.

BTW is it WMA a lossless format (i.e wav) or compressed with some psyco-acoustic lossy algorithm (i.e. MP3 ) ?
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Old 22nd April 2013, 06:00 AM   #4
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I've used EAC (Exact Audio Copy) for years with no problems on various standard PC platforms. It copies the CD to a number of formats but I use lossless WAV as these can be written back to a CD easily. The drawback is that there is no compression so you need plenty of space for a large collection (not such an issue these days). AS I understand it EAC will re-read each sector at least twice to perform a level of error correction so it can be a bit slow.

I'm not convinced that the quality of the hardware will make a difference to the extracted copy (as long as it works as designed!) but it may affect the speed at which you can rip!

Hope this helps!
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Old 22nd April 2013, 03:08 PM   #5
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2nd EAC, it will compress as well, but can only read WAV, you can then opt to delete the WAV after ripping.
Any half decent PC will do the job.
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Old 22nd April 2013, 03:18 PM   #6
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Originally Posted by ATAUDIO View Post
So I have my old beloved CDs from the 80s and I do realise that they will not last forever. I lost already a first edition of Pink Floyd´s " Whish You Where Here", to just to say the pain.
How could it have happened? I destroyed only one CD by a faulty mechanism that scratched the surface. Polishing with Displex could not help, the faulty track can't be read with EAC either. CDRs are a different story...
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Old 22nd April 2013, 03:24 PM   #7
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Being a Linux user I use (and recommend) Rubyripper. Apart from being a secure ripper that will read each sector twice (or more if you wish, I think) and re-read if they do not match until it gets two matching reads of the same sector, it can also encode directly to your format of choice. I prefer FLAC myself. Rubyripper can also pull CD info from a database of your choice if you don't fancy inputting album and song titles yourself and automatically tags the output files according to rules that you specify. These features are not unique, but they certainly make Rubyripper a well rounded tool.

I'm inclined to agree that the hardware itself should not matter, as long as it's functioning properly. The whole point of a secure ripper is avoiding read errors by checking each sector at least twice, effectively eliminating the impact of a "good" or "bad" drive.
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Old 22nd April 2013, 07:41 PM   #8
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Hi there,

If you just want a backup and do have no disk space restriction, I would recommend to just make a disk image or to keep the original wav files.

If you want to save a bit of space I would go with FLAC format, as it is open (thus free) and lossless.

As I use Mac's only I cant help on the Linux side.


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Old 22nd April 2013, 09:56 PM   #9
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I use Exact Audio Copy to extract to wave format,
then convert to FLAC or Quality Based mp3 with LameXP.

Both are free and result in excellent sound quality.
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Old 23rd April 2013, 07:58 AM   #10
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Thanks to all for the nice answers.
For whom may have doubts, CDs DO get bad/damaged (I am speaking about "original" music-shop ones). I believe this may depend on the use that you do of them.
Mine had no "audiophile" treatment, I owned a pub years ago and some of them where on use hundreds of times and are litelally badly scretched. I guess that comes from the dust/smoke particles that get inside the drive.
About the copy, I believe I will give Ruby or AEC. a go. I discovered that my newest player (the Sansa Clip+, love that small toy) can do Flac, so I might try that. I had really bad quality experience with old MP3 stuff. It would also make sense for future-proof compatibilty to make wavs and the zip/rar them. I assume they would compress well. Anybody tried that ? It is not for the space, a TB drive will keek a couple of thousands CDs, much more of my needs, but a big hard drive is the least realiable memory that I can think of, in the long time.
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