SPDIF impedance correction

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I am against using transformers on SPDIF inputs. One 75 ohm resistor to ground, one 0.1uF capacitor to the cip input pin is all that's needed.
If you really want to play with the transformer, one optimized input should have some kind of snubber circuit, calculated for that specific transformer parameters, like the one below (just an example, values might differ on your case). Ignore the differential connection of the secondary.

JH_spdif_input_revised2.gif

A question :eek:

Is it necessary to add a transformer in the input stage if there is already a transformer in the output stage ( DIT 4192) ?
If i have well understand a transformer is used to have a ground isolation so normaly one
transformer is necessary !!!!

:radar:

Serge
 
IMO, there is no need for isolation transformers between devices fed fom the same electrical phase.

You need just plain line impedance matching. Sure, you need a good transmitter, capable of driving 75ohms. Transformers are just a cheap way to go around that requirement if they are 2:1 or more (2:1 will reflect the 75 ohms from secondary as 300 ohms in primary - easyer to drive).
 
IMO, there is no need for isolation transformers between devices fed fom the same electrical phase.

You need just plain line impedance matching. Sure, you need a good transmitter, capable of driving 75ohms. Transformers are just a cheap way to go around that requirement if they are 2:1 or more (2:1 will reflect the 75 ohms from secondary as 300 ohms in primary - easyer to drive).

In fact the first step like you say: you need a good transmitter, capable of driving 75ohms .

....... Why 75 Ohms for DIY ? ;)

Serge
 
Not just for DIY.
75 ohm is specified as part of SP/DIF transmission.
When there is an impedance mismatch the interface between source and receiver does not function like a good transmission line leading to reflections.

Yes, but he said "for diy." If you control both source and receiver, you can use whatever impedance you like (within reason) so long as they're matched. Shielded 300 ohm, anyone?:D
 
If you make your own, the name is not SPDIF anymore, because is not per standard.
For example, Denon uses a proprietary implemantation of SPDIF - three channels over a shielded Ethernet cable. That has 100 ohms and is ballanced. But in that case is not "SPDIF" anymore, it is "DenonLinkIII".

75ohm is good value for RF signals - it is a balance between implementation costs (using off-the-shelf components) and controlling the attenuation - due to connecting cable capacitance.
 
In terms of impedance to ground, just ruminating about diff pair, odd and even modes and trying to get my head round some documentation by Eric Bogatin, where they hit the PCB and become ground referenced again, generaly the diff pairs are 100R single ended are 50R.
 
Isn't 150r differential equal to 75r single ended?

If the voltage is doubled, then the current thru the connecting cable is the "equal". Advantage is that the external perturbations will be common mode now and easily to eliminate.

In my house I don't have perturbations that can affect the shielded, 75 ohm SPDIF conection, but I use the DL III (differential) for my main audio player anyway.
 
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