DIY hifi source - Page 53 - diyAudio
Go Back   Home > Forums > Source & Line > Digital Source

Digital Source Digital Players and Recorders: CD , SACD , Tape, Memory Card, etc.

Please consider donating to help us continue to serve you.

Ads on/off / Custom Title / More PMs / More album space / Advanced printing & mass image saving
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 28th February 2013, 07:06 AM   #521
marce is offline marce  United Kingdom
diyAudio Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Blackburn, Lancs
Cant beat a few 15" inchers in your living room, 8" mid and a tweeter, for once I can feel the music, especially he kick drum. While smaller systems have been enjoyable, the shear area of drivers allows me to get the dynamics and cleanly, less compression of the bass. The only down side is room problems are more noticable and require correction to get the best. Hence in my little world I believe speakers and room are the most important. Electronics these days are pretty good, not always perfect, but music via WAV files and decent amps etc rock my boat.
  Reply With Quote
Old 28th February 2013, 10:59 AM   #522
diyAudio Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Boston or thereabouts
Quote:
Originally Posted by qusp View Post
wouldnt the existence of the people in the room drastically change the response of the room? perhaps you should rent a crowd to do a proper setup, or have you already done this?

I dont have much by way of mics, though i'm looking to buy one for crossover setup that I can also use for recording, probably a Rode. can you recommend something? other than the behringer
I read somewhere that this was a problem with music hall design a hundred or so years ago. The reflections that the designers counted on to carry the sound were absorbed by the ladies' petticoats. Imagine the layers of floor length fabric held out by hoops!

As far as microphones go, pick your coloration. I use AKGs which are dry but more detailed than Shures and nearly as durable. Neumann is the Cadillac but oy! the prices. As with everything else today you're usually buying a team who designs for Chinese manufacture except in the price stratosphere. I've had Audio-Technicas but the lavalier broke and the wireless is boomy (which could just be technique). Everyone has an opinion.

Foo Fighters? Rock/Pop just isn't that dynamic. It may seem so but VU meters don't lie. It's made to fill the airwaves in radio play. And how can you tell what an electric guitar should sound like? Hopefully they don't use a drum machine. Those drive me crazy. First time I could afford modern detailed gear I became major irritated with sound engineers, particularly when they add echo and with cheap producers who automate the rhythm section.
  Reply With Quote
Old 28th February 2013, 11:04 AM   #523
qusp is offline qusp  Australia
diyAudio Member
 
qusp's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Brisbane, Australia
Quote:
I read somewhere that this was a problem with music hall design a hundred or so years ago.
haha, guess what, its still a factor today. whether you like it or not
  Reply With Quote
Old 28th February 2013, 11:13 AM   #524
diyAudio Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Boston or thereabouts
Quote:
Originally Posted by qusp View Post
haha, guess what, its still a factor today. whether you like it or not
Didn't say it wasn't. It's just that today moving a slider compensates for it (sort of) whereas in 1890 it was a brick and mortar problem.

Pray tell, how is it inside the Sidney opera house? Silicon Ray has enclosures with pictures on the front bezel. There are several choices, among them that opera house. I got ahead of the WAF by having her pick which, and that was her choice. Just got notification it shipped, so Chinese New Year is over. (how's that for a Segway?)

It will take a few weeks, hopefully not months and everyone will be able to pick apart my design choices in a small, economical class D amp. That is, if it doesn't go POP! when I plug it in.
  Reply With Quote
Old 28th February 2013, 08:51 PM   #525
fas42 is offline fas42  Australia
diyAudio Member
 
fas42's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: NSW, Australia
Blog Entries: 10
Quote:
Originally Posted by Scott6113 View Post
Foo Fighters? Rock/Pop just isn't that dynamic. It may seem so but VU meters don't lie. It's made to fill the airwaves in radio play. And how can you tell what an electric guitar should sound like? Hopefully they don't use a drum machine. Those drive me crazy. First time I could afford modern detailed gear I became major irritated with sound engineers, particularly when they add echo and with cheap producers who automate the rhythm section.
Which is the point. Classic, older rock is very dynamic in comparison, but something like Foo Fighters has been engineered to fill every tiny, quiet, crack of space with sound: the result is that it feels, subjectively, intensely loud and aggressive on a decent system, you become emotionally exhausted after hearing a single track at a good volume. And it's getting a system to unravel this sort of modern, "wall of sound" production -- it's an excellent test of capabilities ..

Frank
  Reply With Quote
Old 28th February 2013, 09:10 PM   #526
DF96 is online now DF96  England
diyAudio Member
 
Join Date: May 2007
Quote:
Originally Posted by fas42
And it's getting a system to unravel this sort of modern, "wall of sound" production -- it's an excellent test of capabilities ..
Interesting idea. I don't listen to that sort of music, but I would have thought the very opposite: as the music sound never actually existed, it cannot be used to judge the quality of a reproduction system. All that can be said is whether the sound is pleasing or not, which says very little. In effect you are merely comparing a 'domestic PA' with a 'studio PA', without actually hearing the latter. Comparing two things when only one is accessible is rather prone to error!
  Reply With Quote
Old 28th February 2013, 10:37 PM   #527
fas42 is offline fas42  Australia
diyAudio Member
 
fas42's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: NSW, Australia
Blog Entries: 10
Quote:
Originally Posted by DF96 View Post
Interesting idea. I don't listen to that sort of music, but I would have thought the very opposite: as the music sound never actually existed, it cannot be used to judge the quality of a reproduction system. All that can be said is whether the sound is pleasing or not, which says very little. In effect you are merely comparing a 'domestic PA' with a 'studio PA', without actually hearing the latter. Comparing two things when only one is accessible is rather prone to error!
The idea is not not mimic a conventional PA, but to assess a system's resolving capabilities. In the way a high quality studio monitor, or headphones, is intended to allow the studio engineer to 'hear' all the strands of the mix, to be able to mentally separate the tracks, so can a conventional audio system. Whether the sound is "pleasing" is completely irrelevant, at least for me. With the exception, that if I hear playback system distortion, then it is most certainly not pleasing ...

This type of material is engineered such that, subjectively, individual strands of the music are squeezed or squashed together; on a conventional system this often resolves as an overloaded mess. So, the trick is to see if that "mess" can be untangled ...

Frank

Last edited by fas42; 28th February 2013 at 10:39 PM.
  Reply With Quote
Old 28th February 2013, 10:51 PM   #528
diyAudio Member
 
Greg Erskine's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Sydney/Australia
Quote:
Originally Posted by Scott6113 View Post
Pray tell, how is it inside the Sidney opera house? Silicon Ray has enclosures with pictures on the front bezel. There are several choices, among them that opera house. I got ahead of the WAF by having her pick which, and that was her choice. Just got notification it shipped, so Chinese New Year is over. (how's that for a Segway?)
Hi Scott6113,

qusp lives quite a few kilometers up the road from the Sydney Opera House. The Opera House doesn't have a good reputation for acoustics as it was finished on the cheap. It went 1500% over budget and the politicians got feed up and pulled the plug.

I spent many a new year's eve on the "outside" of the Opera House. Saw a lot of great bands and doing things that are now considered "anti-social"... kids can't have fun anymore but last year a mate dragged me along to his kids concert in one of the concert halls and I was shocked how good a few hundred kids from all over the state can sound. The choirs and bands were fantastic. A real tribute to the state education system, the dedicated teachers and volunteers, of course some very talented kids and the special location. I was very happy to see my taxes being invested in these kid's future.

regards
__________________
Greg Erskine
  Reply With Quote
Old 1st March 2013, 11:16 AM   #529
DF96 is online now DF96  England
diyAudio Member
 
Join Date: May 2007
Quote:
Originally Posted by fas42
This type of material is engineered such that, subjectively, individual strands of the music are squeezed or squashed together; on a conventional system this often resolves as an overloaded mess. So, the trick is to see if that "mess" can be untangled ...
OK. It may be that you are listening for low IM, which of course is always desirable. The difficulty would be distinguishing between reproduction IM and studio IM, especially if the studio uses sprinkled poorly biased valves to add some 'tube warmth' to the mix.
  Reply With Quote
Old 1st March 2013, 11:31 AM   #530
diyAudio Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Boston or thereabouts
If qusp won't travel 900km for music, she should turn in her audiophile badge forthwith (actually don't know qusp's gender, so may have committed yet another faux pas)! To be honest, I didn't check the map before I asked. People in Maine are nearly as well known for unique expressions as Aussies. A Mainer would say of 900km? Down the road apiece.

Too bad about the hall. Guess it was done for looks. My prior comments about the Boston Symphony may have more meaning because it was considered one of the best in the world acoustically, so why gild the lily with a sound system? I've also been to the Concertgebouw, which while opinions vary, is considered #1. It is glorious and unsullied by speakers.

I can't agree that Foo Fighters are good test tracks. I have a vintage tube guitar amp (Fender Deluxe Reverb, pre CBS and no it's not for sale). It is prized for its ability to overdrive the tubes, to MAKE them clip, distort. The distortion is the rock guitar sound. The soft clipping is like a kind of compression or sustain. Modern amps try to imitate this, even have overdrive knobs so you can get the sound without turning the amp up to 11. Even transistor amps try to get into the act artificially, by simulating overdrive. There are as many kinds sounds as there are amps, guitars, and musicians, not to mention all the add-ons available.

There is no original electric guitar sound. You can, thanks to the internet know even the model guitar acoustic players like and play them in guitar shops, compare them to recordings. In that way, there's a more direct connection to fidelity.

Part-express just shipped, and HiFiMeDiy too, but the module itself is coming from Connex, and not a peep. (taps foot). I think he needs to build it up, since I asked for a couple upgrades.
  Reply With Quote

Reply


Hide this!Advertise here!
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
TivX 3000U for Hifi Digital Source mbon Digital Source 0 21st May 2005 09:04 AM
A DIY piece of furniture for your DIY HIFI stuff? Bricolo Everything Else 74 31st August 2003 10:14 AM


New To Site? Need Help?

All times are GMT. The time now is 04:31 PM.


vBulletin Optimisation provided by vB Optimise (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2014 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
Copyright 1999-2014 diyAudio

Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.3.2