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Old 17th April 2012, 11:33 AM   #1631
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Congratulations Bill. As someone who has also been bitten by tiny little solder flow problems, I can appreciate your feeling of relief. Way to hang in there !!
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Old 17th April 2012, 11:53 AM   #1632
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Default Problem fixed....

As usual it was some overlooked detail.
Thanks to Jnewbold and the datasheets for the key, and thanks to everyone for kind and helpful advice.
My transformer wiring was wrong too, that was a bit thick!
Multiple errors are always a wind-up...
DAC is sounding very good already! Great news considering I was so close to giving up.

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Old 17th April 2012, 12:16 PM   #1633
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btw, it's easy to understand from CS8416 datasheet current consumption (7th page), but for CS4398 and 74HCT04 I was puzzled. 17th page of CS4398 shows 25 mA for digital analogue parts, but there are also other parameters like interface current and PS current in power down mode. 74HCT04 manual doesn't show any current at all or maybe it's "additional supply current per input" on 9th page?
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Old 17th April 2012, 12:37 PM   #1634
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74HCT04 is a switching device who's current is composed of (1) static and listed in the data sheet, and (2) dynamic which is dependent on switching speed of the gate. This current is what charges and discharges the internal capacitance as the device switches. There should be a plot of current vs speed. That said, it is most likely below 2mA unless you are using it to buffer a high speed clock or such.

Data sheet shows quiescent (1) current as less than 40uA over temp range.

what does it drive?

The additional supply current per input is specified at Vi = VCC-2.1V (NXP data sheet). This is defining the current for a gate strapped in the linear (pseudo) region such as one would see with a feedback resistor used as an R-C oscillator.

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Old 17th April 2012, 07:22 PM   #1636
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The CS2496 typical current demand is:

25mA at 5V on the Va supply which is for the analog section.
1.5mA at 5V for the Vref section
25mA at 5V for the Vd digital section if powered from 5V.
18mA at 3.3V for Vd digital section if you are running it on 3.3V instead of 5V

I just looked at the schematic of the CS4398 board I have on the way and it uses three sections of the 74HC04 to drive LEDs from the 3.3V supply. A fourth LED is directly powered to indicate power present. With no values given I have to guess at the power but it would be reasonable to sink 2-4mA per gate so figure a total of 16mA for the LEDs.

The CS8416 and CS4398 are powered from V3.3, so use the 3.3V 18mA consumption.

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Old 17th April 2012, 08:37 PM   #1637
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Interesting. On Dario's upgrade BOM, I see a heat sink for the positive 7812 regulator. It is mentioned as MANDATORY.

I ordered it (60 cents), but is it really necessary? If I need to install a heatsink the 7812 should be providing at least 250 mA.... My transformer can supply 500 mA, so that will not be the problem..... but why did Dario put a heatsink in the list?
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Old 17th April 2012, 09:18 PM   #1638
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I did'nt find heatsinking the 7812 necessary even with discrete opamps and their greater current draw but it does'nt hurt to use one.
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Old 17th April 2012, 10:11 PM   #1639
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Interesting. On Dario's upgrade BOM, I see a heat sink for the positive 7812 regulator. It is mentioned as MANDATORY.

I ordered it (60 cents), but is it really necessary?
It depends, the DAC works perfectly without it but the 7812 became really hot.

For long term reliability I suggest to use it.
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Old 17th April 2012, 10:45 PM   #1640
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To know how much heat is being dissipated on the regulator, measure the current that goes through it. Then multiply it by the in/out voltage difference.

That should give you a watt number, which should be less than that specified on the data sheet for no-heatsink operation.

But as Dario says, if the 7812 gets hot you will need a heatsink. Have you put your finger to it on several occasions to see how hot it is?

That will also depend on how many volts are going in on your specific place and on Dario's, which may vary from country to country or city to city.
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