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Old 14th December 2009, 08:40 PM   #1
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Default Philips VAM 1210

I am trying to find out if it is still possible to buy spare parts (like a lase unit) for the Philips VAM 1210 cd transport. Or a complete tranport unit maybe.

Does anybody have a supplier address?

What would be the expected life span of such a cd transport (in hours playing cd's). Is 10,000 hours a normal expectation?
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Old 16th December 2009, 03:56 PM   #2
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No experts to give some info


Does anybody know more about the Philips VAM1210 transport at all?

I can hardy find anything about it with Google.

It is not mentioned on this excelent page:
Philips CDM - cd mechanism list - Marantzphilips.nl

Only the Philips VAM12 and VAM1252.



According to this list:
http://www.vasiltech.nm.ru/files/cd-...-Transport.htm
It was used in 3 cd players (I am interrested in a second hand April Stello).

Is the VAM1210 compatible with the VAM1201 or 1202? Those are much more common.

Anyone knows this Chinese company? http://www.vcdpickup.com/
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Old 19th December 2009, 10:55 AM   #3
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Can anybody please confirm if the VAM1210 tranport actually is a combination of the VAM1202 laser pickup and the L1210/65 "frame" (or "drawer")?

Like being sold here
L121065
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Old 21st December 2009, 05:43 PM   #4
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This is something I struggle to find info on. The VAM devices appeared after the infamous CDM12.1's and 4's etc.
Until you see it you can't be sure.
The CDM12.4 (and it's VAM equivalent) have an IC on the pickup... a TDA1302 RF amp
The CDM12.1 and it's VAM counterpart do not.
The "polarity" of the magnet on the platter is opposite too... it repels the disc clamp if you try and fit the wrong one.
I have no experience of the company you mention... there are a lot of stories around of poor quality Chinese pickups.
10000 hours is a lot... the motors would be suffering at that mileage. A rebuild is easy using motors off a new CDM12.1 etc and keep the platter.
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Old 21st December 2009, 07:29 PM   #5
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Thanks fro sharing this.

On several DAC/transport lists (that circulate on the internet) the VAM1210 is supposed to be used by the April Stello , the Jadis Symphonia and the Monrio (??) NAS-DAC.

I looked up some info on the Jadis
http://www.jadis-electronics.com/fic...uit=84&lang=en
And here they say they are using a Philips L1210/65 transport.

The L1210/65 is also used by Simaudio Moon Equinox.

Daisy-laser is (was?) selling a L1210/65 and they say
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Complete, assembled tray-loading unit combining the audio-dedicated VAM1202 CD mechanism, the L1210 loader and a servo-decoder board attached underneath
L121065

So could I buy this daisy-laser L1210/65 to replace a VAM1210 in a Stello??
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Old 21st December 2009, 07:33 PM   #6
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Pic of the Stello

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Pic of the Daisy-laser L1210

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Old 22nd December 2009, 07:28 AM   #7
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The loader I'm familiar with, it's the same as in my Micromega, which uses a CDM12.4
If you can identify correctly the pick up then replacing just the pickup is easy.

The pictures on Daisy Laser show what looks like the VAM equivalent for the CDM12.1 which is the pickup and (discrete component) laser power control only. This has the "black" platter which is the magnetic opposite to the light grey one on the CDM12.4 VAM1202

These are listed from spares distributers although I can't say what the original source is... are they genuine Philips etc
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Good luck getting anything out of Daisy...
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Old 23rd December 2009, 11:24 AM   #9
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Okay, still a bit a gamble I understand. I have to ask the seller to open the player.

Any ideas on the life expectation of such a VAM tranport?

The one I think of buying is 4 years old, I estimate it has played 2000-2500 cd's in that time (at a no smoking location)

And is Daisy-laser not dealing with private customers? Where then do they make there money? The seem not to be that small (having offices in several countries). Where is their head quarter?
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Old 23rd December 2009, 12:09 PM   #10
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Pickups themselves tend to be reliable... most trouble is caused by dust/dirt smoke ! etc.

The sled motor will never wear out in a million years, your looking at a few 10's of rotation per CD.

Bearings on spindle motors wear, you can feel it if you try and move the platter.
The CDM12.4 had a simple device (a piece of tensioned plastic) which sounds crude but works well, and it's purpose was to apply very light pressure to the spindle forcing it to wear in one direction, but importantly stopping any looseness in the bearing. In other words the bearing wore oval but the tensioner stopped any play. The "lesser"CDM12.1 did not have this. The 12.4 was designed for CD ROM as well as audio which is why it was included... to prevent mechanical "jitter" on the data...

Don't know if the VAM has that feature.

The DC motors are easily swapped from a new doner mech, they all appear the same.
Any original grease may be sticky,and granulated after a few years but again that's so easily put right.

Edit,
I keep a very rough "tally" chart on hours use of my Micromega... currently 2144 hours on this pickup (a Japanese CDM12.4, the best quality one I have ever seen) sadly haven't seem them for a few years. I put a spot of special grease (yes grease) on the platter motor spindle when new. No detectable wear as yet The RF output is as high as ever too, no deterioration at all.

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