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Old 23rd December 2009, 12:18 PM   #11
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Thanks Mooly, you have a lot of knowledge on the subject.

The reason I wanted to buy the Stello transport is that I already have the April Stello DA220 dac (a very nice dac). So it actually is also a bit for the looks.

It will be replacing a TEAC VRDS9 (which btw I also purchased as used. It has some tracking problems every 5 hours or so. Could be a dirrty lens).

If I buy the Stello, the Teac will move on to the bedroom (replacing a Technics SL-P777 maybe).

One more (maybe a bit silly) question. Are these VAM models "compatable". So if you replace a complete VAM1210 with a complete VAM1202 or VAM1201 (or whatever models are out there) and hook it up to all the PCBs in the player, will it work.
Or does every model have its own control logic, output connections, power requirements and so on?
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Old 23rd December 2009, 12:27 PM   #12
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Compatability... I can't answer that without seeing them. Some derivatives use a brushless motor for example which definitely won't work as a replacement for the others.
The gears on the CDM12.1 (hard white gears) have more backlash than the soft nylon blue gears on the 12.4 and don't work in many players.... little things like that.

So I would suspect not, although they probably share the same mech/motors etc.

They are different for a reason...
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Old 22nd January 2010, 09:51 AM   #13
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Anyone use daisy-laser L1210/65 before?
Can share your experience?

I'm thinking of getting daisy-laser L1210/65 to replace Marantz CD63 MKII KI Cd module. Any comments?

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Old 22nd January 2010, 05:57 PM   #14
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I am trying to find out if it is still possible to buy spare parts (like a lase unit) for the Philips VAM 1210 cd transport. Or a complete tranport unit maybe.

Does anybody have a supplier address?

What would be the expected life span of such a cd transport (in hours playing cd's). Is 10,000 hours a normal expectation?
The CD transport "VAM1210" is completly new for me.
I think, it is no commercial part. But perhaps it is a "quasi" custom made part.
Some manufacturers make such things to make it harder for technicans to perform a repair without a so-called "orig. Spare Part"

From the Loader L1210 I have data sheet. There is no VAM1210 inside.

Let me know the brand name and model No of your compact disc player, that uses this "1210" video-audio mechanism.

in this case this thread could be of interest:
VAM1204 VAM1205 VAM1206 VAM1250 VAM1252 VAM1254 CDM12pro VAU1254=CDM12.4 compatib

I recommend to replace only the laser head and not the complete VAM mechanism

Here some attachements regarded different hologram laser heads of the CDM/VAM series for the aim of compare to your own version:
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File Type: pdf CDM12.1-VAM1202J Foto+Plan.ckt .pdf (170.0 KB, 160 views)
File Type: pdf CDM12.4 Head + LTOH30PA.pdf (130.9 KB, 95 views)
File Type: pdf TDA1302+TZA1022TS schem LTOH30PA-PF.pdf (55.3 KB, 69 views)

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Old 22nd January 2010, 06:04 PM   #15
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and additional photos of CDM12.4 successor laser heads:
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File Type: jpg CDM hologram TO outline.jpg (36.6 KB, 280 views)
File Type: jpg CDM new hologram resin outline.jpg (25.8 KB, 275 views)
File Type: jpg CDM TZA1022 + hologram TO outline.jpg (77.1 KB, 272 views)
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Old 6th February 2010, 09:50 AM   #16
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Didn't check this thread for some time now.
Tiebassuebertr (what is a name?), thanks for the links. I still think the VAM1210 is a combination of the L1210 and maybe a VAM1202 (like sold by Daisy), but not 100% sure.
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Old 6th February 2010, 01:13 PM   #17
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Didn't check this thread for some time now.
Tiebassuebertr (what is a name?), thanks for the links. I still think the VAM1210 is a combination of the L1210 and maybe a VAM1202 (like sold by Daisy), but not 100% sure.
Please let me know your brand and model No where VAM1210 is inside.

The member name of me must actually be as follows: "tiefbassübertragung" - because my URL is "www_tiefbassuebertragung_de"
But since the number of points was not enough therefore, the rear part was cutted from "diyaudio".
So my name now become "tiefbassuebertr".
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Old 6th March 2010, 07:23 PM   #18
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Dear Duck-Twacy

You can buy a replacement transport for the VAM1210 in the Netherlands (Elst) at Xs4trade (iRepair) for 27,5 Euro. Look at Marktplaats CD players - Marantz and you will find their add.

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Old 14th June 2010, 01:25 PM   #19
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Can anybody please confirm if the VAM1210 tranport actually is a combination of the VAM1202 laser pickup and the L1210/65 "frame" (or "drawer")?
Like being sold here
L121065
The loader model 1210/L1210 (and also the Loader 1265/L1265) haven't to do with the model number of the there mounted mechanism and can be equipped with various mechanism, because mechnical parameters of some CDM12.xx and VAM12.xx are identical. Read the type number on the sticker on your mechanism, not on the loader.
What is to read - really VAM1210?

The model number VAM1210 is rare mentioned, e. g. by Jadis and Stello sites and there:
6moons audio reviews: Stello CDT200, DP200 and M200
Rolf Sigrist Sound Design - Sound Designers Choice - CD Player - Shenda SD100S

but I guess, this is an error through interchanging with loader 1210/L1210 or mechanism CDM12.10.
Either the CDM12.1/VAM1201-VAM1202 or the electrical not compatible CDM1210/VAM1205 (or CDM12.10/CDM12.6/VAM1206) mechanism is in use.

I guess, the good known CDM12.1/VAM1201/VAM1202 (only difference in magnet of motor pulley, and LDGU type for various max speed - VAM means video audio mechanism, i. e. for video VCDs, CDM means compact disc mechanism, only for PCM-CD's)

According Justone-Schnepel writing facts, follow models are compatible:
1) CDM12.10 = CDM12.6 = VAM1206 (screen plate present, covered the used SMD devices; RF IC TZA1022T on bord or not ? - check the attached pics)
JusTone Lasereinheiten. CDM12.6 / VAM1206 Laufwerk PHILIPS. Lasereinheit, Laserpickup, Laserunit, Pickup, Laser, Laserkopf

2) CDM1210 = VAM1205 = CDM1205 (without screen plate, RF-Amp TDA1302T on board, electrical identical to CDM12.4/CDM12-IND/VAU/VAM1252 head but not regarded the quality standart)
JusTone Lasereinheiten. CDM12.1 0 PHILIPS Laufwerk, Lasereinheit, Laserpickup, Laserunit, Pickup, Laser, Laserkopf
JusTone Lasereinheiten. CDM12.5 / VAM1205 Laufwerk PHILIPS. NAIM CD3.5 . Lasereinheit, Laserpickup, Laserunit, Pickup, Laser, Laserkopf

3) CDM12.1-VAM1201-VAM1202 (without screen plate, only APC circuit on board)
JusTone Lasereinheiten. CDM12.1 / VAM1201 / VAM1202 / VAM1223 / RAE1100 / RAE1100KIT Laufwerk PHILIPS PANASONIC TECHNICS. Lasereinheit, Laserpickup, Laserunit, Pickup, Laser, Laserkopf

If your laser head looks like that one of the last two pics, you need a new laser head of the VAM1202 mechanism.

Check out also this threads:
VAM1204 VAM1205 VAM1206 VAM1250 VAM1252 VAM1254 CDM12pro VAU1254=CDM12.4 compatib (last post)
Philips CDM12.3 on Marantz CD6000
forum.zelfbouwaudio.nl • Toon onderwerp - VAM 1210

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