distribute S/PDIF or I2S, passive?

tschrama · 22nd May 2003, 09:48 AM

Hi all,

Would it be possible to connect more than one DAC-receiver to a single S/PDIF line with just a passive circuit. If I increase the 75Ohm to reduce loading maybe this would be possible.

Or should I use the I2S output to distribute the digital data. Or is passive a no-no-no and should I go to the shop and buy some digital buffer, make a powersupply, a circuitboard etc etc. I was hoping to avoid that

Greetings,
Thijs

jean-paul · 22nd May 2003, 10:24 AM

Use a good splitter for 75 Ohm ( TV )

Peter K · 22nd May 2003, 06:16 PM

Jean-Paul,

CATV splitters start at 5 MHz up to 860 or 1000 MHz, the attenuation will be at least 3,7 dB from in to outputs. Most probably a little more at 5 MHz.

Will this not be a problem?

Besides this they use F connectors which is a resonable connector for "last mile CATV" but can not be compaired with a 75 ohm BNC connector. A professional splitters returnloss at low frequenties will be something like 18 dB, maybe lower at 5 MHz. There are only two high quality brands that I know of: Comega and Tratec.

A last remark regarding the F connector is about the difficulty of using professional crimp-connectors, this requires a special tool. NEVER USE THE TWIST ON types, it should be forbidden to sell these!

regards,

Peter

tiroth · 22nd May 2003, 06:28 PM

Magic T?

I would go active. S/PDIF levels are so low already. You add a little jitter with the buffer but it solves a lot of other problems.

jean-paul · 22nd May 2003, 07:05 PM

You missed the

in my post. Never tried it but maybe it works for testing purposes ? I wouldn't fiddle around too much with SPDIF, it is already difficult with only one device connected to it

Jocko Homo · 22nd May 2003, 07:33 PM

A "Y" splitter can be made connecting three 25 ohm resistors at a common point. One free end is the input, the other two are the outputs. Works good for most frequencies. Has 6 dB loss.

Jocko

tschrama · 22nd May 2003, 07:35 PM

I actually thougth serious about it for a brief moment. But I just finished a article on the history of the S/PDIF standard and it says something like 100KHz up to 6MHz (not higher??), so the TV eas dropped from my mind.

How about connecting two DAC to a single CS8414 I2S output?

Regards,

Thijs

tschrama · 22nd May 2003, 07:39 PM

Hi Jocko,

Thanks, I just missed your post. The 25 Ohm resistors are for the attenuation of reflections? I must say I'm very unexperienced in HF stuff.

Regards,

Thijs

dhaen · 22nd May 2003, 07:45 PM

Hi,

I suggest adapting one DAC to have a "loop-through".
In other words, the original coax goes to the receiver chip, but insted of being terminated with 75 ohms, is also connected to a second coax which is routed to the a new connector on the back-plate. This is the output to the second DAC. When a second DAC is not connected, you must connect a 75 ohm termination to this socket. You can make a term in an RCA plug.
This is common practice with video, and while the return loss figure will deteriorate a little, I think it's a better solution than those already suggested.

Cheers,

jean-paul · 22nd May 2003, 07:52 PM

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I think it's a better solution than those already suggested.

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22nd May 2003, 09:48 AM	#1
tschrama diyAudio Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: The Netherlands	distribute S/PDIF or I2S, passive? Hi all, Would it be possible to connect more than one DAC-receiver to a single S/PDIF line with just a passive circuit. If I increase the 75Ohm to reduce loading maybe this would be possible. Or should I use the I2S output to distribute the digital data. Or is passive a no-no-no and should I go to the shop and buy some digital buffer, make a powersupply, a circuitboard etc etc. I was hoping to avoid that Greetings, Thijs

22nd May 2003, 10:24 AM	#2
jean-paul diyAudio Moderator Emeritus Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: The Netherlands	Use a good splitter for 75 Ohm ( TV ) __________________ It's only audio

22nd May 2003, 07:05 PM	#5
jean-paul diyAudio Moderator Emeritus Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: The Netherlands	You missed the in my post. Never tried it but maybe it works for testing purposes ? I wouldn't fiddle around too much with SPDIF, it is already difficult with only one device connected to it __________________ It's only audio

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22nd May 2003, 06:16 PM	#3
Peter K diyAudio Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Vlaardingen	Jean-Paul, CATV splitters start at 5 MHz up to 860 or 1000 MHz, the attenuation will be at least 3,7 dB from in to outputs. Most probably a little more at 5 MHz. Will this not be a problem? Besides this they use F connectors which is a resonable connector for "last mile CATV" but can not be compaired with a 75 ohm BNC connector. A professional splitters returnloss at low frequenties will be something like 18 dB, maybe lower at 5 MHz. There are only two high quality brands that I know of: Comega and Tratec. A last remark regarding the F connector is about the difficulty of using professional crimp-connectors, this requires a special tool. NEVER USE THE TWIST ON types, it should be forbidden to sell these! regards, Peter

22nd May 2003, 06:28 PM	#4
tiroth diyAudio Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Pittsburgh, PA, USA	Magic T? I would go active. S/PDIF levels are so low already. You add a little jitter with the buffer but it solves a lot of other problems.

22nd May 2003, 07:33 PM	#6
Jocko Homo Banned Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: As far from the NOSsers as possible	A "Y" splitter can be made connecting three 25 ohm resistors at a common point. One free end is the input, the other two are the outputs. Works good for most frequencies. Has 6 dB loss. Jocko

22nd May 2003, 07:35 PM	#7
tschrama diyAudio Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: The Netherlands	I actually thougth serious about it for a brief moment. But I just finished a article on the history of the S/PDIF standard and it says something like 100KHz up to 6MHz (not higher??), so the TV eas dropped from my mind. How about connecting two DAC to a single CS8414 I2S output? Regards, Thijs

22nd May 2003, 07:39 PM	#8
tschrama diyAudio Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: The Netherlands	Hi Jocko, Thanks, I just missed your post. The 25 Ohm resistors are for the attenuation of reflections? I must say I'm very unexperienced in HF stuff. Regards, Thijs

22nd May 2003, 07:45 PM	#9
dhaen diyAudio Moderator Emeritus Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: U.K.	Hi, I suggest adapting one DAC to have a "loop-through". In other words, the original coax goes to the receiver chip, but insted of being terminated with 75 ohms, is also connected to a second coax which is routed to the a new connector on the back-plate. This is the output to the second DAC. When a second DAC is not connected, you must connect a 75 ohm termination to this socket. You can make a term in an RCA plug. This is common practice with video, and while the return loss figure will deteriorate a little, I think it's a better solution than those already suggested. Cheers,

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