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Old 23rd April 2012, 05:21 PM   #131
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But with that little L78L33ACZ I had before it worked fine except output voltage was too low 2.97V.
I put oscons 220uF as ClefChef did , and wima 100nF from the legs to ground. The ground is 3cm away[negative leg of closest oscon] Maybe the oscons are to low ESR for the new regulator?Datasheets say 10uF tantalum for the fixed output regulator , but I guess that's minimum.
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Old 23rd April 2012, 06:03 PM   #132
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And get ground from starpoint on the pcb, that is below the screw where the black ground lead is on.
Do you think that's necessity?
As i said before the other reg. - L78L33ACZ worked with no trace of oscillation and noise, with the ground point 3cm away.
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Old 23rd April 2012, 07:11 PM   #133
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I had noise problems with some modifications. Often when a got a extra lead to the star ground the noise disapeared.
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Old 26th April 2012, 04:37 PM   #134
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Hi,
Regulator oscillating?
I got rid of that piercing noise[reg. oscillation]. That was not the ground problem Koifarm. That was the Oscon in the output. Too much of good thing. Too low ESR for that particular regulator. This is worth to read- Using 3-pin regulators off-piste: part 3 .
So I took that Oscon out and returned to the rubycon 100uF that was there before. No additional decoupling cups [100nF] are needed , there are two on the oryginal board already. The Oscon in the input seems to be ok. As the ground point for the regulator one can use the negative leg of the output cap as I did , it works good.
And I can recommend the mod , I like the sound , it's better.
Thank you guys for your advise.

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Old 29th April 2012, 08:39 AM   #135
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One of the problems that remains after MHZS opamp mod is done is too low output signal of the player. Much lower comparing with other players. The amplification of 12AX7 tubes is 100 times. So what we have here is either the signal is attenuated more than 100 times before output stage , or the output stage’ attenuation factor is less than 1 [0.8 or so] Can we do something about it with the existing schematic.
Changing 33k cathode resistor to 22k doesn’t make to much difference.
Is it possible that the signal was actually preattenuated in the dac digital domain? Did someone measure the signal after the dac?
The second possibility is that there is something like huge negative feedback applied in the tubes output stage shem.
Could some of you explain what impact on the signal makes that part of the schematic I circled in red? Does it work as negative feedback? What can be done here to lower the value of that nf? Will that help to make the output signal stronger?
Thorsten and Koifarm , what would you say about it.
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Old 29th April 2012, 11:08 AM   #136
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Just look at first page photo 7 to change amplification.
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Old 29th April 2012, 01:00 PM   #137
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Just look at first page photo 7 to change amplification.
Do you mean this :
"Replace the green 33K for 22k/1/4 Watt and replace the 68K for 82K/1 watt and the output signal is higher"
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So what we have here is either the signal is attenuated more than 100 times before output stage , or the output stage’ attenuation factor is less than 1 [0.8 or so]
I should have said "amplification factor is less than 1".
It is supposed to be :
So what we have here is either the signal is attenuated more than 100 times before output stage , or the output stage’ amplification factor is less than 1 [0.8 or so]
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Old 29th April 2012, 04:08 PM   #139
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Do you mean this :
"Replace the green 33K for 22k/1/4 Watt and replace the 68K for 82K/1 watt and the output signal is higher"
Yes, when you replace the 33k you can also try 27k. Some people had some distorsion with the 22k resistor.
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Yes, when you replace the 33k you can also try 27k. Some people had some distorsion with the 22k resistor.
First of all as I said couple of postes before I did change 33k resistor and that did not make too much difference as far as amplification is concerned.
Second of all my point is : what happens to that 100 times amplification factor of the 12AX7 tubes in that output stage. The amplification of the stage is not even 2 , it is actually probably less than 1.
So what part of the circuit is responsible for that. First is the very low anode supply voltage , but that's not enough to lower it[amplification] 100 times , so what else? My guess is that there must be some kind of negative feedback apllyed. I Suppose it is that part of the circuit I circled in red on the schem. Let's concentrate on that. Remember 100 times factor , not a fraction of one percent
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