BB PCM 1702 vs 1704 - Page 2

A 8 · 15th March 2003, 08:07 AM

Thx all,

The reason for fiddeling away from the 63 was that I wanted a 20-24/96 capable dac to be used for dvd-audio and other dvd's like Roger Waters (PCM20/48) and David Gilmore (PCM24/48) and being tired of all the jitter issues with my old set up (CS8412/SM5813/PCM63K) I wanted re-sampling.
The 63 is more complicted to implement in a "jitterfree" re-sampling dac as it will trigger analog out based on the wordclock, the 1702 and 1704 will do it based on the bitclock so one just connect it directly to the master clock...

Anyway...I have decided to go with the PCM1704K as it in my setup seemes to give slightly softer sound witout loosing transparancy, resolution or precision.

Michael

ashok · 15th March 2003, 04:11 PM

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What is it that the LP has so much more bass, weight and slamm???

Could it be a different mixing engineer and different equalisation when mastering to CD ?
Some "re"mastered CD's sound better than the older generation of the same CD.
Cheers

Elso Kwak · 15th March 2003, 05:21 PM

Hi,
Nobody agrees with me??? No-one?

I feel like the voice of one crying in the wilderness.

Carl Ekblom · 15th March 2003, 08:16 PM

I do.

The LP really has so much more to offer. It is more fun to listen to the music when I play LP.

The sound quality on Lp´s from the late 50´s is sometimes very good. When I listen to the same recordings on CD something is missing.

Carl

A 8 · 15th March 2003, 09:37 PM

Sorry Elso...I gave up vinyl back in -89 been trying to re-create the emotional experiance since......think I passed it in -94 then got lost (tweaked it to death 50 times...ran out of money...got kids ......gave up).
I think I am getting there again.......tonight was *********g amazing.

Really Elso, there is less wrong with digital then vinyl...I really can't stand the thd on the last tracks and the 600 watts going into my 4 12" woofers that goes completly balistic due to rumble... forget it, digital is the way to go

Other then that it smells great..........

Jocko Homo · 27th March 2003, 02:57 PM

My '1704s sound great. And I have lots of friends that agree with me.

They better.......I charged them for the privilege.

A really good clock is essential to get good bass, and clean highs. Otherwise, it can be a tad annoying in the top end. And in some cases, floppy on the bottom.

Jocko

Cobra2 · 27th March 2003, 08:35 PM

you have DAC's like Monarchy Audio (PCM-63K) with "U.S. west-coast" slam, but no definition...

Arne K

A 8 · 27th March 2003, 11:22 PM

Got the 1704K running now and they seem to be really good....midrange is amazingly clean, had some issues with lower end but it was fixed when tweaking the transport with a few oscon 1000uF caps.
They are growing on me every day and I would not want to switch back to the PCM63K.

15th March 2003, 08:07 AM	#11
A 8 diyAudio Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Gothenburg	Going with the PCM1704K Thx all, The reason for fiddeling away from the 63 was that I wanted a 20-24/96 capable dac to be used for dvd-audio and other dvd's like Roger Waters (PCM20/48) and David Gilmore (PCM24/48) and being tired of all the jitter issues with my old set up (CS8412/SM5813/PCM63K) I wanted re-sampling. The 63 is more complicted to implement in a "jitterfree" re-sampling dac as it will trigger analog out based on the wordclock, the 1702 and 1704 will do it based on the bitclock so one just connect it directly to the master clock... Anyway...I have decided to go with the PCM1704K as it in my setup seemes to give slightly softer sound witout loosing transparancy, resolution or precision. Michael

15th March 2003, 05:21 PM	#13
Elso Kwak Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Zamboanga, City of Flowers, Mindanao	LP vs. CD Hi, Nobody agrees with me??? No-one? I feel like the voice of one crying in the wilderness.

27th March 2003, 08:35 PM	#17
Cobra2 DIY ! diyAudio Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Stavanger, Norway	And then... you have DAC's like Monarchy Audio (PCM-63K) with "U.S. west-coast" slam, but no definition... Arne K __________________ Ars longa, vita brevis

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15th March 2003, 08:16 PM	#14
Carl Ekblom diyAudio Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Sweden	I do. The LP really has so much more to offer. It is more fun to listen to the music when I play LP. The sound quality on Lp´s from the late 50´s is sometimes very good. When I listen to the same recordings on CD something is missing. Carl

15th March 2003, 09:37 PM	#15
A 8 diyAudio Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Gothenburg	Sorry Elso...I gave up vinyl back in -89 been trying to re-create the emotional experiance since......think I passed it in -94 then got lost (tweaked it to death 50 times...ran out of money...got kids ......gave up). I think I am getting there again.......tonight was *********g amazing. Really Elso, there is less wrong with digital then vinyl...I really can't stand the thd on the last tracks and the 600 watts going into my 4 12" woofers that goes completly balistic due to rumble... forget it, digital is the way to go Other then that it smells great..........

27th March 2003, 02:57 PM	#16
Jocko Homo Banned Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: As far from the NOSsers as possible	My '1704s sound great. And I have lots of friends that agree with me. They better.......I charged them for the privilege. A really good clock is essential to get good bass, and clean highs. Otherwise, it can be a tad annoying in the top end. And in some cases, floppy on the bottom. Jocko

27th March 2003, 11:22 PM	#18
A 8 diyAudio Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Gothenburg	Got the 1704K running now and they seem to be really good....midrange is amazingly clean, had some issues with lower end but it was fixed when tweaking the transport with a few oscon 1000uF caps. They are growing on me every day and I would not want to switch back to the PCM63K.

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