HDMI and digital out

[ezkcdude]

Originally posted by rfbrw
You chaps ought to read up on HDCP.

I forgot about that. So, you would need to get a license to deal with the copy protection issues. That's a problem.

[KOON3876]

I heard Sony Playstation3 converts SACD to PCM inside and send PCM on HDMI, then TA-DR3200ES or upper can receive them.
does anyone has PS3? I wonder how about BD..


I already have DSD to PCM converter and SACD/DVD-A player, by http://www.dvdupgrade.ch, I hope they also hack BD or HD-DVD player

[jheoaustin]

Originally posted by KOON3876
I heard Sony Playstation3 converts SACD to PCM inside and send PCM on HDMI, then TA-DR3200ES or upper can receive them.
does anyone has PS3? I wonder how about BD..


I already have DSD to PCM converter and SACD/DVD-A player, by http://www.dvdupgrade.ch, I hope they also hack BD or HD-DVD player

I recently read about that news, but turned out that it only outputs downsampled/truncated stereo PCM or re-encode it to DTS over S/PDIF, not HDMI. Well, it still offers more options than before, but thinking that most SACDs are hybrid and thus have stereo PCM version of SACD contents, it is not a big deal, I am afraid.

[KOON3876]

Originally posted by jheoaustin

I recently read about that news, but turned out that it only outputs downsampled/truncated stereo PCM or re-encode it to DTS over S/PDIF, not HDMI.

Hi I remember where I saw,
http://rec.mailarchive.ca/audio.pro/2007-02/1916.html

they say
"Linear PCM 7.1 Ch 192"
"The Sony STR-DA5200ES ($1200-1400) appears to be such a device"

hmmmm... expensive

[jheoaustin]

It appears that 7.1-ch LPCM means it's supported for some contents (probably DVD-A or BD/HD-DVD, or maybe even some crazy WAV), but not explicitly SACD. Unless one says explicitly that the SACD multichannel DSD contents were converted to multichannel PCM and then transmitted over HDMI, I wouldn't believe so.

I saw that menu with my PS3, and it appears to merely specify the PCM output over HDMI supported for any audio contents. It is not directly related to SACD. Moreover, '192kHz' makes it suspicious, as 88.2kHz or 176.4kHz is the right sample rate to convert DSD into. If DSD is converted to 192kHz PCM, it involves complicated and resource-consuming non-integer ratio sample rate conversion which also introduces some artifacts. So, I'd conclude that 192kHz PCM is not related to SACD.

[4real]

Originally posted by jheoaustin
For clarification, multichannel PCM are transmitted over HDMI for DVD-A playback. For some reason, they didn't put MLP stream on HDMI, and it simplifies the system design by not putting MLP decoder on the A/V receivers and pre/pros.

Looks like you are right, but what would one extra decoder matter? In fact, HDMI simply goes for standards: anything SPDIF will do, multi PCM, and DSD (and the lossless DTS and DD standards as of 1.3). Anything else needs to be converted..

Originally posted by KOON3876
[B]I heard Sony Playstation3 converts SACD to PCM inside and send PCM on HDMI, then TA-DR3200ES or upper can receive them.
does anyone has PS3? I wonder how about BD..

Here is all you need to know: http://www.ps3sacd.com/faq.html

Originally posted by jheoaustin
[B]It appears that 7.1-ch LPCM means it's supported for some contents (probably DVD-A or BD/HD-DVD, or maybe even some crazy WAV), but not explicitly SACD. Unless one says explicitly that the SACD multichannel DSD contents were converted to multichannel PCM and then transmitted over HDMI, I wouldn't believe so.

See FAQ above, apparently the PS3 converts multichannel SACD to multichannel PCM 176/24...

[jheoaustin]

Originally posted by 4real

Here is all you need to know: http://www.ps3sacd.com/faq.html

See FAQ above, apparently the PS3 converts multichannel SACD to multichannel PCM 176/24... [/B]

Thanks. There are some good information on PS3 and media formats. BTW, it doesn't clarify which HDMI version can receive 176.4kHz multichannel PCM. I know 1.3 can, but not 100% sure about 1.2, and for 1.1, I hear conflicting stories. Do you know if HDMI 1.1 can receive 192/176.4kHz multichannel PCM?

Surprised to see that SACD support is dropped from 3rd generation. The short and pale era of DVDA and SACD are phasing away.

[Cauhtemoc]

Originally posted by jheoaustin
I saw that menu with my PS3, and it appears to merely specify the PCM output over HDMI supported for any audio contents. It is not directly related to SACD. Moreover, '192kHz' makes it suspicious, as 88.2kHz or 176.4kHz is the right sample rate to convert DSD into. If DSD is converted to 192kHz PCM, it involves complicated and resource-consuming non-integer ratio sample rate conversion which also introduces some artifacts. So, I'd conclude that 192kHz PCM is not related to SACD.

Although 192 kHz is not used, I doubt that the actual sample rate conversion would have been much problem for a PS3, this is exactly the kind of thing that the cell processor was designed for.

[tiefbassuebertr]

Who knows one of the follow "HDMI Audio Extractor" devices

1) Lindy
HDMI Audio Extractor | AV | Video / Monitor Extender, Splitter & Umschalter | Umschalter - Konverter - Extender | LINDY DE
http://www.lindy.de/lindyshop/manuals/38090V1.pdf
Impressum | LINDY DE
Grandbeing Technology Co., Ltd - Products - HDMI Audio Extractor

2) Luxi Electronics
Luxi Electronics
http://luxielectronics.com/Documents...rev%200.50.pdf
http://luxielectronics.com/images/Lu...icture%20s.jpg

3) Octava Inc
1x1 HDMI Audio Converter. Extract audio from HDMI to Optical Toslink. Full 1080P resolution.

4) Altona
Atlona Technologies AT-HD570 HDMI Audio Extractor - Black Your Price: $151.79 - AValive.com - 1-866-93PRO-AV (937-7628)

5) CYP
CYP HDMI SPDIF, PCM 5.1 7.1 Audiodecoder HDMI 1.3c ATC zertifiziert | Scaler | Konverter | HDMI W

6) Various
Audio D/A A/D, A/D D/A converter, HDMI Audio extractor, analog/digital audio converter, Toslink switcher
HDCP HDMI to VGA + SPDIF RGB Component YPbPr Converter | HDMI to RCA Converter