clock (bck) buffer SAA7220

Jaman · 3rd July 2007, 02:25 PM

Cambridge CD3.

Due to a broken SAA7220 the clock (bck) measures 1,4V on a voltmeter.
I think I've shortcircuit the clockline and thereby broken the SAA7220p/b partially.

I don't have a scope.
I want to repare the player and keep the filter.

Can I place an 74HC08 buffer in the clockline?
(filter -> Buffer -> timingboards & dacs)

I'm asking this because the datasheet says: High Level Input Voltage is 3.15V (Vcc is 4,5V ok, 5V)

http://www.nxp.com/acrobat_download/...HC_HCT08_3.pdf

Will the buffer work?

The SAA7220 in the CD3 has to feed 6 time-registers and 4 Dac's with Clock. A bit to much I think?

Thank you.

MidiMaze · 4th July 2007, 10:34 AM

Isn't it easier to get a donor cd player for the SA7220? Many philps players from marktplaats will do.

Jaman · 4th July 2007, 01:34 PM

The 7220 is allready a donor. I accidently shortcircuit the clockline.

all the rest seems to work ok; WS, DATA are a nice 2 V.

First thing I want to do is repair it, then modify it some.

I want to know if a 74HC08 can bring the clock back to 2V so the timing boards work again. now the don't trigger, to low clock.

Another option would be to direct clock, /2, it from the Master-clock. Would that be better? What kind of IC should I use 74HC74 to match the propagation delay of the SAA7220? the slowest I guess: 74HCT74 ??? maybe some extra delay with a buffer?
(At the end of the thread: Difficulty with 1/2clock to TDA1541 they're discussing this, only nobody seems to have measered the prop. delay of the 7220, DATA, WS, BCK)

(I've read the 150+ page thread: The ultimate NOS dac using TDA1541A)

QSerraTico_Tico · 4th July 2007, 02:09 PM

I could sell you a used 7220. Contact me by email.

Jaman · 7th July 2007, 05:33 PM

Thank you but I have a NOS (new old stock) spare one for reserve.
I first want to try fixing the player.

I seems that only the clock output of the SAA7220 is not functioning properly. I read that bypassing of the clock is also better, so I would try this.

Only I don't know wich logic to use, Fast or slower? This to meet the propagation delay of the filter, so that the clock is in sync with the DATA and WS. Maybe use a buffer also?

What is the best option, since I rather not want to test something and then change and test again, etc.
I want to install it so that the player works first.

Thanks

3rd July 2007, 02:25 PM	#1
Jaman diyAudio Member Join Date: Nov 2006	clock (bck) buffer SAA7220 Cambridge CD3. Due to a broken SAA7220 the clock (bck) measures 1,4V on a voltmeter. I think I've shortcircuit the clockline and thereby broken the SAA7220p/b partially. I don't have a scope. I want to repare the player and keep the filter. Can I place an 74HC08 buffer in the clockline? (filter -> Buffer -> timingboards & dacs) I'm asking this because the datasheet says: High Level Input Voltage is 3.15V (Vcc is 4,5V ok, 5V) http://www.nxp.com/acrobat_download/...HC_HCT08_3.pdf Will the buffer work? The SAA7220 in the CD3 has to feed 6 time-registers and 4 Dac's with Clock. A bit to much I think? Thank you.

4th July 2007, 10:34 AM	#2
MidiMaze diyAudio Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Enschede	Isn't it easier to get a donor cd player for the SA7220? Many philps players from marktplaats will do. __________________ Doe iets goed, of doe het niet.

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4th July 2007, 01:34 PM	#3
Jaman diyAudio Member Join Date: Nov 2006	The 7220 is allready a donor. I accidently shortcircuit the clockline. all the rest seems to work ok; WS, DATA are a nice 2 V. First thing I want to do is repair it, then modify it some. I want to know if a 74HC08 can bring the clock back to 2V so the timing boards work again. now the don't trigger, to low clock. Another option would be to direct clock, /2, it from the Master-clock. Would that be better? What kind of IC should I use 74HC74 to match the propagation delay of the SAA7220? the slowest I guess: 74HCT74 ??? maybe some extra delay with a buffer? (At the end of the thread: Difficulty with 1/2clock to TDA1541 they're discussing this, only nobody seems to have measered the prop. delay of the 7220, DATA, WS, BCK) (I've read the 150+ page thread: The ultimate NOS dac using TDA1541A)

4th July 2007, 02:09 PM	#4
QSerraTico_Tico diyAudio Member Join Date: Oct 2004	I could sell you a used 7220. Contact me by email.

7th July 2007, 05:33 PM	#5
Jaman diyAudio Member Join Date: Nov 2006	Thank you but I have a NOS (new old stock) spare one for reserve. I first want to try fixing the player. I seems that only the clock output of the SAA7220 is not functioning properly. I read that bypassing of the clock is also better, so I would try this. Only I don't know wich logic to use, Fast or slower? This to meet the propagation delay of the filter, so that the clock is in sync with the DATA and WS. Maybe use a buffer also? What is the best option, since I rather not want to test something and then change and test again, etc. I want to install it so that the player works first. Thanks