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Old 7th August 2012, 09:23 AM   #4471
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Glad that you did not take offence for critic.
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Old 30th August 2012, 09:52 AM   #4472
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Hi, -ecdesigns-!

I have read begin this subject (thread interesting, but very big) and I faced the statement that your method Direct Interpolation allows to enlarge the resolution to 17 bits for twin DAC 1541 and to 18 bits for quad DAC 1541 (post #15).

You hitherto so think?

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Old 30th August 2012, 06:28 PM   #4473
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Hi SSerg,

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I have read begin this subject (thread interesting, but very big) and I faced the statement that your method Direct Interpolation allows to enlarge the resolution to 17 bits for twin DAC 1541 and to 18 bits for quad DAC 1541 (post #15).

You hitherto so think?
The input resolution remains 16 bits, the time resolution is increased (88.2 KHz sample rate with 2 chips, 176.4 KHz with 4 chips, 352.8 KHz with 8 chips). The extra samples are derived using linear interpolation (delay and add scheme).

Output bit resolution is theoretically increased to 17 bits (2 chips), 18 bits (4 chips) or 19 bits (8 chips). In practice the output resolution is limited by DAC chip bit errors and matching between DAC chips.

The result is a smoother output signal (oscillograms at the beginning of this thread) when using NOS. This in turn improves performance when using (pre) amplifiers and interlinks that were designed for use with analogue audio sources.

Linear interpolation causes trebles roll-off in combination with NOS. The wave form starts to resemble triangle wave shape at increasing frequency when fewer samples are available for reconstruction.

However it works fine when applied after digital filtering. This technique is applied in the Cambridge CD3 CD player in order to achieve 16 times oversampling using 4 x TDA1541A.
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Old 31st August 2012, 12:58 AM   #4474
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I still love the 4x 1541 s1 direct interpolation NOS dac....treble role off does not matter to me. I don't know of a TT that will do a better job at the top end....

OS DACs produce artificial sine waves at high frequencies... You run out of samples in the source no matter.... Is it an 18k squarewave or sinewave? You will never know.

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Old 31st August 2012, 02:39 PM   #4475
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Output bit resolution is theoretically increased to 17 bits (2 chips), 18 bits (4 chips) or 19 bits (8 chips). In practice the output resolution is limited by DAC chip bit errors and matching between DAC chips.
Hi,-ecdesigns-
Thank you for fast reply.

Output analog signal can't have more information than had the input digital signal. Even theoretically.

The practical resolution 1541 not more than 15 bits. At the best you may obtain resolution 16 bits.

This as law of the conservation
of energy.

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Old 31st August 2012, 08:42 PM   #4476
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Hi SSerg,

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Output analog signal can't have more information than had the input digital signal. Even theoretically.
I mentioned this:

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The result is a smoother output signal
I didn't mention that we get more information out than we put in. I just mentioned that the output sample rate can be increased to 88.2, 176.4, or 352.8 KHz and that the output bit resolution can be theoretically increased to 17, 18, or 19 bits.

The gained output resolution is used for smoothing the NOS DAC output signal.

I attached some oscillograms. Upper traces show plain NOS DAC output signals, lower traces the same signal but now with 8 times linear interpolation (8 * TDA1541A). These show the desired smoothing effect.
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Old 31st August 2012, 10:14 PM   #4477
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I still love the 4x 1541 s1 direct interpolation NOS dac
The DI4JM (scrambler/interpolator DAC) is not bad either. It also can be converted easily to DI2*4JM...

[IMG]http://https://picasaweb.google.com/...eat=directlink [/IMG]

[IMG]http://https://picasaweb.google.com/...eat=directlink [/IMG]

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Old 1st September 2012, 08:16 AM   #4478
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The DI4JM (scrambler/interpolator DAC) is not bad either. It also can be converted easily to DI2*4JM...

[IMG]http://https://picasaweb.google.com/...eat=directlink [/IMG]

[IMG]http://https://picasaweb.google.com/...eat=directlink [/IMG]

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Oops! I still don't get this image posting right, for example I still cannot post thumbnails...
Another try.

[image]https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/phot...eat=directlink [/image]

[image]https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/phot...eat=directlink [/image]

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