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Starre 24th April 2013 03:17 PM

Cheapest top dac?
I need a top class dac and wonder how much I have to pay. Suggestions?

voxxonline 24th April 2013 03:22 PM

Look for Subbu dac group buy. Design is almost completed.
It is not the very best dac chip you can get, but I bet guys who put so much effort into it know the business.
100 % you cannot beat it for the price.
Plus ths group buy has massive interest, which indirectly confirms quality level and expectations :)

McGyver 24th April 2013 06:19 PM

Best quality DAC one can get by cheap is Audiophonics PCM1796 DAC: DAC - Audiophonics DAC1798 - DAC 24Bit 192KHz - CS8416 + PCM1798 they even provide schematics!
The only thing you have to do is to get rid of the original ugly opamps based analogue stage and to built your own tube analogue stage with passive I/V conversion or discrete transistors i/v conversion, the choice is yours.
I have this DAC board with passive I?V and tube stage and it sounds heavenly, so I definitive stopped to search any digital source.
If you require an USB input I recommend XMOS or CM6631.

Starre 25th April 2013 06:54 AM

Interesting, thanks. I will visit 2 stores in Stockholm first to see what they can offer.

abraxalito 25th April 2013 11:06 PM

To my ears, a top class DAC has to use a multibit DAC chip - try this one as its very reasonably priced : Promitheusaudio Solid State DAC

McGyver 25th April 2013 11:38 PM

To my ears the only DACs worth to bother with are the current output DACs.
And non oversampling is technical heresy wchich leads to distortion and ultrasonic garbage. Or forced to heavy analogue filtering leading to dry, lifeless bad sound.

abraxalito 25th April 2013 11:54 PM

I use heavy (like 7th order) analog filtering and the result is totally the opposite of 'dry, lifeless bad sound'. Do share - which DAC did you listen to which gave this listening result? I agree 100% about current output DACs - its necessary but not sufficient for top-end sound.

Ken Newton 26th April 2013 01:19 AM


Originally Posted by Starre (
I need a top class dac and wonder how much I have to pay. Suggestions?

It would be better if you told us your budget.

Jay 26th April 2013 02:49 AM


Originally Posted by abraxalito (
To my ears, a top class DAC has to use a multibit DAC chip

What do you mean with multibit here? Can you give the chip example?

abraxalito 26th April 2013 03:13 AM

By multibit I mean a standard type of DAC which isn't using noise shaping. A good example and one I use a lot in my own designs is TDA1545A.

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