GLT - how do you make it look better than mine every time ?! It's not fair.You even removed the screen in almost exact squares.
I'll read you 'duino stuff at the weekend.
I used a ruler
yeah I think I already established it was a long way around.... I like to give advice that can be applied to many cases and allows people to think for themselves (sometimes people become very frustrated at me for that). there are also capacitor leads punching through the ground plane and linking top and bottom? all over the place.
but you are still going with the old fashioned 'conventional' view of circuit theory. the electrons actually flow from Negative to Positive, its holes that 'flow' from positive to negative. the signal does not really travel along the wires and then back along under the wires in opposite directions in a nice linear manner. ideally we would like them to flow cleanly, but I would be very surprised if it were that neat in this board. electrons actually flow rather slowly, as opposed to the charge. but thats beyond the scope here, the circuits still worked amazingly, even though we had it all completely backwards.
a 'hole' is the absence of an electron
Hole Flow
Electrons and 'holes'
Conventional Flow vs Electron Flow
now i'll leave you scratching your head, as I was when I first came upon this concept a few years ago
at this stage in conversation its usually easier to just pretend its not happening and not rock the boat so as to avoid arguing/explaining it every time, but its an interesting factoid to bring up here
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yeah, had enough of your advice, I dont care for it. the advice you are giving in the thread now seems to be starting to resemble my old livelihood crippling advice anyway. but no, no value in the content I included, even if it predates the research you had to go off and do, in order to come back and confirm what ive been saying all along. it would not have taken up so much room if you didnt argue the point about it so long before accepting it.
you are at least as much to blame for the proliferation of comments
you are at least as much to blame for the proliferation of comments
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gusp,
I am confused by your reference to three articles on "holes". Those are all on the atomic level or slightly higher. The unfortunate tangent that the thread went off on was about the path of electrons on a macro level. So I do not see the relevance.
Now can we please get back to building and playing around with the $99 DAC? I know it is has some problems, I bought it to play around with and maybe build a DAC for one of my friends on the cheap.
I am confused by your reference to three articles on "holes". Those are all on the atomic level or slightly higher. The unfortunate tangent that the thread went off on was about the path of electrons on a macro level. So I do not see the relevance.
Now can we please get back to building and playing around with the $99 DAC? I know it is has some problems, I bought it to play around with and maybe build a DAC for one of my friends on the cheap.
as is the construction and operation of solid state devices/circuits, you dont see the connection? N channels are doped with electrons, while P channel devices are doped with holes. its the very basis around which these devices work. also subatomic would be more accurate
please override your brain reflex, its qusp not a g in sight
let us know how cheap it turns out
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you read me too literally.
yes carriers, but i'm not going to pretend i'm an expert in the area, I simply brought it up as an alternative view. the channels have atoms with an excess of electrons or holes respectively, but the doping is an effect at the subatomic level.
I already linked a few technical papers on the subject for those who want to know more. my point was, its not as neat as we thought. and it has EVERYTHING to do with solid state electronics
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no, I mean channels in the solid state devices. as in N-Channel, or P-Channel, or PNP/ NPN transistors you do know what I mean yes? the dac, the PC, the opamps, everything is partially made up of doped atoms. in the case of ESS is not truly complementary so is mostly N channel afaik, electrons flow FROM ground to a more positively charged area and holes flow TO 'ground' or a more negatively charged area. basically its the opposite of what we thought for a long time; or rather the flow can be the same, but its holes that flow that direction, not the electrons between atoms
its all covered in the links I made in that post
its all covered in the links I made in that post
Nope, I simply read what you wrote - 'N channels are doped with electrons' - and corrected you because that's wrong, they're not.
Nope, that's still wrong. But as you seem not to want to learn I'll not explain a more correct view this time - you can find out for yourself
Nope, I simply read what you wrote - 'N channels are doped with electrons' - and corrected you because that's wrong, they're not.
Nope, that's still wrong. But as you seem not to want to learn I'll not explain a more correct view this time - you can find out for yourself
you didnt at any point explain a more correct view....par for the course...
but OK it seems carrier is just another name for hole aka charge carrier. if you actually read the whole post instead of picking a little bit to disagree with, you would see I had the correct gist of it, then linked to more knowledgable folks.
an extra electron, or one less electron charge has to come from somewhere, how do you propose they get the excess or lack of them into the implanted atoms? picking a hole in making a positively doped or negatively doped atom and implanting that, with adding or removing electrons is just argument for the sake of it
it was a novelty for **** sakeI find it interesting, but not interesting enough to devote my life to learning a new branch of science.
can you ignore a thread?
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I used a ruler
No, that's wrong. Rulers are used for measuring the direct distance between two points on a lateral plane. You used a cutting edge. This is not the same. You should read this white paper on the molecular structure of the leading edge of a continuous cast single-crystal nickel-titanium super alloy. It has neither dendritic formations or an equiaxed granular structure but is a single crystal and therefore, even under an electron microscope, has a flat edge because it has no grains. You should use a nickel-titanium super alloy cutting edge.That's what you should do. You can thank me now.
It seems that link doesn't work. Maybe try this : http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=wh...74,d.bmk&fp=e9fe9caeb27ca466&biw=1092&bih=533 and follow the second result. You-know-who.
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I see a pattern emerging, people ask for more detail as was done with this flawed design and at many points through both threads, then whine when the answer doesnt suit them.
then when all else fails, make a joke.
what does a ruler have to do with channels, me thinks the joke is misplaced, but I understand you had to make it at all costs
but then we always have belief.
then when all else fails, make a joke.
what does a ruler have to do with channels, me thinks the joke is misplaced, but I understand you had to make it at all costs
but then we always have belief.
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We were talking about issues in the ground plane which is a conductor (you know copper) and suddenly we jumped into n and p channels, semiconductor doping, electron, holes... What's the relation to the ground plane?
Well, at least I used a magnifying glass
No, that's wrong. Rulers are used for measuring the direct distance between two points on a lateral plane. You used a cutting edge. This is not the same. You should read this white paper on the molecular structure of the leading edge of a continuous cast single-crystal nickel-titanium super alloy. It has neither dendritic formations or an equiaxed granular structure but is a single crystal and therefore, even under an electron microscope, has a flat edge because it has no grains. You should use a nickel-titanium super alloy cutting edge.That's what you should do. You can thank me now.
It seems that link doesn't work. Maybe try this : whay am I such and ******** - Google Search and follow the second result. You-know-who.
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