Digital, but not by the numbers - Page 4

Trevor White · 04:15 AM

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Originally Posted by abraxalito

Some do - have you listened to Martin Mallinson's talk at RMAF last year?

The irony here amuses me no end

Is the design objective end-user listening satisfaction or is it THD and SNR?

Indeed - strawman.

yes but when you say that some bit of kit sounds better and the differences can't be measured by normal means then how on earth do you translate that into a design brief ?? What possible directions would you give to a silicon designer ?

abraxalito · 29th November 2012, 04:12 AM

I take it you didn't watch the RMAF ESS presentation?

Trevor White · 29th November 2012, 04:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by abraxalito

I take it you didn't watch the RMAF ESS presentation?

no links ??

abraxalito · 29th November 2012, 04:20 AM

You too lazy to use Google then?

DIY AUDIO BLOG: ESS Technology SABRE DACs - Martin Mallinson on RMAF 11

abraxalito · 29th November 2012, 04:42 AM

Here's an interesting (as in hilarious

) post on Head-Fi which is pretty typical of the 'objectivist' position, if anyone's still in any doubt. The discussion is over a DAP (Charles Altmann's Tera Player) which subjectively raved about but has so far no published 'objective' measurements : Altmann Tera Player

Julf · 29th November 2012, 05:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by abraxalito

Here's an interesting (as in hilarious

) post on Head-Fi which is pretty typical of the 'objectivist' position, if anyone's still in any doubt. The discussion is over a DAP (Charles Altmann's Tera Player) which subjectively raved about but has so far no published 'objective' measurements : Altmann Tera Player

Oh my, you really drank the Kool-Aid, didn't you?

abraxalito · 29th November 2012, 05:24 AM

You are skamp and I claim my five pounds

Julf · 29th November 2012, 05:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by abraxalito

You are skamp and I claim my five pounds

All engineers are part of the Borg. We have a hive mind. In that sense I am skamp. You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile.

Trevor White · 29th November 2012, 05:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by abraxalito

You too lazy to use Google then?

DIY AUDIO BLOG: ESS Technology SABRE DACs - Martin Mallinson on RMAF 11

so what is your point ??

ESS designs for low noise and THD and the measurements confirm this.

Trevor White · 29th November 2012, 05:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by abraxalito

Here's an interesting (as in hilarious

) post on Head-Fi which is pretty typical of the 'objectivist' position, if anyone's still in any doubt. The discussion is over a DAP (Charles Altmann's Tera Player) which subjectively raved about but has so far no published 'objective' measurements : Altmann Tera Player

So when Sanken designs output transistors they design them based on immeasurable subjective design criteria

LOL

29th November 2012, 04:12 AM	#32
abraxalito diyAudio Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Hangzhou - Marco Polo's 'most beautiful city'. 700yrs is a long time though... Blog Entries: 62	I take it you didn't watch the RMAF ESS presentation? __________________ When a measure becomes a target, it ceases to be a good measure. C.A.E. Goodhart

29th November 2012, 04:20 AM	#34
abraxalito diyAudio Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Hangzhou - Marco Polo's 'most beautiful city'. 700yrs is a long time though... Blog Entries: 62	You too lazy to use Google then? DIY AUDIO BLOG: ESS Technology SABRE DACs - Martin Mallinson on RMAF 11 __________________ When a measure becomes a target, it ceases to be a good measure. C.A.E. Goodhart

29th November 2012, 04:42 AM	#35
abraxalito diyAudio Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Hangzhou - Marco Polo's 'most beautiful city'. 700yrs is a long time though... Blog Entries: 62	Here's an interesting (as in hilarious ) post on Head-Fi which is pretty typical of the 'objectivist' position, if anyone's still in any doubt. The discussion is over a DAP (Charles Altmann's Tera Player) which subjectively raved about but has so far no published 'objective' measurements : Altmann Tera Player __________________ When a measure becomes a target, it ceases to be a good measure. C.A.E. Goodhart

29th November 2012, 05:24 AM	#37
abraxalito diyAudio Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Hangzhou - Marco Polo's 'most beautiful city'. 700yrs is a long time though... Blog Entries: 62	You are skamp and I claim my five pounds __________________ When a measure becomes a target, it ceases to be a good measure. C.A.E. Goodhart

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