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Old 7th December 2012, 06:57 AM   #291
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Hello Frank

Have you personally heard the Audio Note 5th Element Setup.

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Old 7th December 2012, 08:22 AM   #292
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it doesnt sound like it.... just relaying audiophile review impressions. chances are going by its design that its simply adding quite a bit of its own distortions which may be preferred, as well as the expectation bias from such a massive pricetag. i'll take my dac any day for my taste. if someone gave me one, i'd sell it and add a few upgrades to the rest of my system
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Old 7th December 2012, 08:35 AM   #293
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Well, at least he put "cognescenti" in quotes...
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As qusp surmised, no, but that's not the point. I have heard DACs performing correctly when sufficient effort is put into negating the SQ issues, and am interpreting the language of the people who have listened to the AN device in that context. What is positive about the Fifth Element is that it evokes those reactions without needing that extra effort put into tweaking the setup -- that's a significant step forward.

Yes, it most certainly will add some distortions, but much more importantly, by fluke or sufficient persistence, it appears to have reduced the crucial "digital" distortions to inaudible levels.

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cool no worries, what gets me is when these distortions are ignored, claiming only higher 'transparency'. theres no accounting for taste and it cannot be argued with; people like what they like.

the very word musicality to me, while not an negative word, evokes a certain pleasant somewhat forward/meaty presentation, slightly thicker in harmonics than neutral.
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the very word musicality to me, while not an negative word, evokes a certain pleasant somewhat forward/meaty presentation, slightly thicker in harmonics than neutral.
Unfortunately "musicality" is a bit of a weasel word, but it gives the flavour of what the user is intending to convey: that the sound strongly invokes in the listener the same sort of subjective reaction he has when listening to live music. Which, after all, is what this whole exercise is supposed to be about - how many times have I seen that throwaway phrase in forums, "just enjoy the music". Well, if for a while you can forget that a faking mechanism is making the music materialise, then that phrase has some real "meat" to it, and the equipment that's making it happen should get a tick ...

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As qusp surmised, no, but that's not the point. I have heard DACs performing correctly when sufficient effort is put into negating the SQ issues, and am interpreting the language of the people who have listened to the AN device in that context. What is positive about the Fifth Element is that it evokes those reactions without needing that extra effort put into tweaking the setup -- that's a significant step forward.

Yes, it most certainly will add some distortions, but much more importantly, by fluke or sufficient persistence, it appears to have reduced the crucial "digital" distortions to inaudible levels.

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Can you give me some details including the brands of the DACs you have heard with your own ears that with "fluke or persistence" sound good.
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fluke or persistence sounds like an excellent way to waste money in prototyping... maybe thats why they cost so much?
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Hello Frank,

Can you give me some details including the brands of the DACs you have heard with your own ears that with "fluke or persistence" sound good.
Well, at the hifi show I just went to, a Lampizator unit performed well, BUT only when fed from a music server: using an Oppo unit as a CD transport crippled the sound. The Swiss CH Precision D1 CD player, $40,000, did a very nice job running into Technical Brain monoblocks. And, all the setups by the National Audio Group had qualities that I was after, I haven't got the material at hand to pinpoint the units used at the moment.

Note, my take is very different from how other people reacted to what was on offer. Equipment which others wrote glowing reports of left me cold - like the Kyron: very hifi sort of sound, if you know what I mean ...

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