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WM8805 upgrade board (cs8414 pins) - dissapointed
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Old 5th December 2011, 05:18 AM   #81
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Yes I've followed Jocko's writings with immense interest. He seems to me to put undue emphasis on waveform fidelity and ignore common-mode noise.
I disagree. His emphasis is correct. Especially for the CS/AK Chips.

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So he disses (for example) the low interwinding capacitance designs of SC because such buy their low capacitance at the expense of higher leakage inductance.
Try measuring them...

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I disagree. His emphasis is correct. Especially for the CS/AK Chips.
I'm curious to learn why the emphasis on waveform fidelity over CM noise. Any anecdotes to share?

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Try measuring them...
They're not so easy to get hold of here so I'll pass on that. I prefer to roll my own solution and not (in general) to rely on a single source of boutique-style parts.
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Old 5th December 2011, 07:16 AM   #83
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I'm curious to learn why the emphasis on waveform fidelity over CM noise. Any anecdotes to share?
Look at the way the various receivers trigger...

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They're not so easy to get hold of here so I'll pass on that.
Too bad.

The difference between SPDIF transformers with screen and plain one sis quite large.

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Old 5th December 2011, 08:46 AM   #84
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The difference between SPDIF transformers with screen and plain one sis quite large.
Scientific Conversion, Inc. - Transformers and Inductors

Which one(s) did you measure and what measurements did you make?
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Old 5th December 2011, 09:04 AM   #85
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Which one(s) did you measure and what measurements did you make?
I tested a different manufacturers screened and unscreened parts. The difference in leakage inductance is quite large. The larger leakage inductance makes getting a sufficiently bandwidth with optimum damping of ringing near impossible in practice.

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Can't see the point of having a screen there myself - the common-mode noise isn't stopped by the screen, it still goes somewhere inside the DAC. What marketing ploy did that manufacturer use to make you interested in even getting hold of a screened part to test?
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Old 5th December 2011, 06:00 PM   #87
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Ok, so maybe it's time for You to re-evaluate the SC transformers - almost all of them, but the most publicized surely, are screened ones?
Their marketing ploy is common -mode rejection..

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If by 'You' you mean me, I've never had a SC part to evaluate. On paper they look impeccable, they even show jitter plots versus unnamed 'competitor' parts. But they're single sourced and a bit on the expensive side so I'm not a customer - yet.

Incidentally, when they say 'shielded' does that mean magnetically shielded or having an interwinding screen? I'd assume the former but it would be nice if they'd clarify this point.
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Old 5th December 2011, 06:37 PM   #89
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Only because they call it differently, it is still a screening.

Look at the last figure in this document, what does pin 2 do in the application?

Scientific Conversion, Inc. - Transformers and Inductors

In their other documents earlier available on the net, they were even more explicit about it.

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P.S.: Did You notice also those ferrite beads on the input?

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I downloaded their AES paper, yes they do show an explicit screen and they show it connected to earth on the schematic. What's unclear then is how the capacitance measurements apply - 3.0pF or 0.5pF and between which terminals?

Yes I noticed the ferrite beads and CM choke too, with CM suppressing caps after. Is there something wrong with using them? To me it shows they do take CM noise seriously.
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