need help

iceage · 30th August 2011, 04:25 AM

i am using my playstation3 as a source to my hifi system not entirely happy with the sound of the converted mp3s wondering if i would be better off using the optical output to a dac
i am running an integrated tube amplifier which sounds better using other sources
wondering if it is the limitations of the mp3 codecs or whether there is a dac i could get to get better sound
any ideas of which dacs are appropriate or any other info would be appreciated thanks
was also considering passing the ps3 output through an adcom preamp to see how that effects the sound but i fear it wont bide well given the likely cheap nature of the ps3s included converter and being limited by the rca cables used from the ps3 which are upgraded slightly but still not audiophile cables by any means
i want a warmer sound and am finding the current source to be harsh in the upper registers more than anything else

data · 04:44 AM

First of all, the PS3 is not a great source. A computer (PC or MAC) would be miles ahead.

Second, compressed audio is never going to sound great, rip to WAV or at the very least FLAC if you want a better sound. A good DAC will just revile more of how bad the MP3's are.

If you can, WAV or Flac for a format, played back via a software media player like cPlay..... Computer > DAC > Amp.

All the best

Edit:for a affordable good sounding DAC, look here DAC 2496 (AK4393) DAC KIT With CS8416+AK4393+5532

iceage · 30th August 2011, 04:44 AM

ouch thats bad news i have a ton of mp3s and not about to get several tbs of space to convert them
is there any way to "improve" my sound?
also dont see a feasable way to get a decent sound source to amp from my laptop as i am sure its a rinky dink sound card and the phono to rca cables i have seen are cheap at best

data · 04:50 AM

Converting them is no good anyway, once the information is removed (as is the case with the likes of MP3 compression) it is gone.
You would need to rip from the CD's again.

A DAC with USB will serve as converter from the laptop to amp.

iceage · 30th August 2011, 04:50 AM

so with usb output to the dac does this bypass the soundcard?

data · 04:56 AM

Yes

This DIY DAC has USB, search ebay.
Experience with this DIY DAC ?

I use this one, but I got an early revision and use Coax out as mine doesn't have a USB connection, but most of the guys have the one with USB.

They sound OK with a opamp change, and miles better using transformer out as you will see them doing later in the thread.

iceage · 30th August 2011, 04:58 AM

mkay just curious with using reasonable (192bit) quality mp3s the sound should certainly be passable and variation from wave shouldnt be too bad
i do get better sound even playing from an ipod using the output cable
is the ps3 affecting the sound in some way possibly my settings on it

data · 30th August 2011, 05:02 AM

I don't know how to get a better sound from the PS3.

No point converting MP3 to WAV.

I'm sure you will get better sound if you can play back your MP3's through a DAC like the one I linked via you Laptop.

iceage · 30th August 2011, 05:23 AM

so i did some more research it looks like there is no converter in a ps3 and it uses software to convert digital signals
seems to me a dac could help if i ran the digital signal via optical cable to be processed by a better piece of equipment
bear in mind i am not looking for perfection just improved sound for my ps3 2 channel setup since its a very easy way to listen to music
or perhaps there is a better media server i could get at a reasonable price???

data · 11:30 AM

That one I linked will serve well, it has Optical, Coax and USB inputs, and the opamps are swappable too.
Experience with this DIY DAC ?

30th August 2011, 04:25 AM	#1
iceage diyAudio Member Join Date: Jul 2011	need help i am using my playstation3 as a source to my hifi system not entirely happy with the sound of the converted mp3s wondering if i would be better off using the optical output to a dac i am running an integrated tube amplifier which sounds better using other sources wondering if it is the limitations of the mp3 codecs or whether there is a dac i could get to get better sound any ideas of which dacs are appropriate or any other info would be appreciated thanks was also considering passing the ps3 output through an adcom preamp to see how that effects the sound but i fear it wont bide well given the likely cheap nature of the ps3s included converter and being limited by the rca cables used from the ps3 which are upgraded slightly but still not audiophile cables by any means i want a warmer sound and am finding the current source to be harsh in the upper registers more than anything else

30th August 2011, 04:39 AM	#2
data diyAudio Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Brisbane	First of all, the PS3 is not a great source. A computer (PC or MAC) would be miles ahead. Second, compressed audio is never going to sound great, rip to WAV or at the very least FLAC if you want a better sound. A good DAC will just revile more of how bad the MP3's are. If you can, WAV or Flac for a format, played back via a software media player like cPlay..... Computer > DAC > Amp. All the best Edit:for a affordable good sounding DAC, look here DAC 2496 (AK4393) DAC KIT With CS8416+AK4393+5532 __________________ Speakers; Lenehan ML-1 - Amp; 25wpc El34 Custom - Phono; Boozhounds jfet - Turntable; Sansui SR838. Last edited by data; 30th August 2011 at 04:44 AM.

30th August 2011, 04:47 AM	#4
data diyAudio Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Brisbane	Converting them is no good anyway, once the information is removed (as is the case with the likes of MP3 compression) it is gone. You would need to rip from the CD's again. A DAC with USB will serve as converter from the laptop to amp. __________________ Speakers; Lenehan ML-1 - Amp; 25wpc El34 Custom - Phono; Boozhounds jfet - Turntable; Sansui SR838. Last edited by data; 30th August 2011 at 04:50 AM.

30th August 2011, 04:52 AM	#6
data diyAudio Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Brisbane	Yes This DIY DAC has USB, search ebay. Experience with this DIY DAC ? I use this one, but I got an early revision and use Coax out as mine doesn't have a USB connection, but most of the guys have the one with USB. They sound OK with a opamp change, and miles better using transformer out as you will see them doing later in the thread. __________________ Speakers; Lenehan ML-1 - Amp; 25wpc El34 Custom - Phono; Boozhounds jfet - Turntable; Sansui SR838. Last edited by data; 30th August 2011 at 04:56 AM.

30th August 2011, 05:02 AM	#8
data diyAudio Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Brisbane	I don't know how to get a better sound from the PS3. No point converting MP3 to WAV. I'm sure you will get better sound if you can play back your MP3's through a DAC like the one I linked via you Laptop. __________________ Speakers; Lenehan ML-1 - Amp; 25wpc El34 Custom - Phono; Boozhounds jfet - Turntable; Sansui SR838.


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30th August 2011, 04:44 AM	#3
iceage diyAudio Member Join Date: Jul 2011	ouch thats bad news i have a ton of mp3s and not about to get several tbs of space to convert them is there any way to "improve" my sound? also dont see a feasable way to get a decent sound source to amp from my laptop as i am sure its a rinky dink sound card and the phono to rca cables i have seen are cheap at best

30th August 2011, 04:50 AM	#5
iceage diyAudio Member Join Date: Jul 2011	so with usb output to the dac does this bypass the soundcard?

30th August 2011, 04:58 AM	#7
iceage diyAudio Member Join Date: Jul 2011	mkay just curious with using reasonable (192bit) quality mp3s the sound should certainly be passable and variation from wave shouldnt be too bad i do get better sound even playing from an ipod using the output cable is the ps3 affecting the sound in some way possibly my settings on it

30th August 2011, 05:23 AM	#9
iceage diyAudio Member Join Date: Jul 2011	so i did some more research it looks like there is no converter in a ps3 and it uses software to convert digital signals seems to me a dac could help if i ran the digital signal via optical cable to be processed by a better piece of equipment bear in mind i am not looking for perfection just improved sound for my ps3 2 channel setup since its a very easy way to listen to music or perhaps there is a better media server i could get at a reasonable price???

30th August 2011, 11:10 AM	#10
data diyAudio Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Brisbane	That one I linked will serve well, it has Optical, Coax and USB inputs, and the opamps are swappable too. Experience with this DIY DAC ? __________________ Speakers; Lenehan ML-1 - Amp; 25wpc El34 Custom - Phono; Boozhounds jfet - Turntable; Sansui SR838. Last edited by data; 30th August 2011 at 11:30 AM.

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