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Old 3rd December 2011, 12:37 PM   #11
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Thanks to the OP for a good reminder topic...as noted previously it is unfortunate that at the age our hearing is best our egos predominate and the illusion of immortality overrides common sense. I used my Ratshack meter to measure all of my loud power tools from the operator's head position. Unsurprisingly routers and planer are screamers at 100dB+. Surprisingly the next worst tools in my shop were two shopvacs in the mid-90dB range. I tagged each tool above 80dB with a sticker and wear protection whenever operating them.

I also have tinnitus from exposures when I was much younger to industrial noise (auto industry heavy stamping plant) and of course rock concerts. I agree with Sofaspud...it's certainly an annoyance but hard to imagine it driving one to suicide...yikes!
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Old 3rd December 2011, 04:54 PM   #12
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Just a quick follow up.

3 days with baby oil and its getting better until they remove the wax.

The ENT was surprised that they gave me a hearing test with wax but considering how high I scored I should score top percentages once they remove it.

Tinnitus is something different to everyone. I slept the past few nights no problem with it.

For some people it an annoyance, for others it can be life changing. Everyone has a different level of noise. Mine was high pitched and moderately loud. I could not lay on that ear at all the first few nights.

I just did the tie rods on our car and wore ear protection while running the impact and the air compressor.

For those who have tinnitus without hearing loss there are a lot of causes and treatments. The last time I had tinnitus was starting to visit a chiropractor. As they went through the adjustments it came, got worse, then got better, and disappeared.

Pink/White noise does help. Last night we just left the air filter running in the bedroom. Even a decently loud blower fan for a furnace will mask it depending on how bad it is.

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Old 23rd December 2011, 03:05 AM   #13
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Another follow up.

It has been an amazing rough month. After removing the ear wax the tinnutis got WORSE.

I went to a tinnutus expert...I won't disparage the word used but I was not too impressed with the answer. I had a 2nd hearing test and scored even higher than the last.

However the noise was present and way worse than before. I really thought I had screwed myself up especially since I was told "its permanent, going to have to live with it"

Thankfully I decided not to listen and went back to my ENT. Had a 3rd hearing test and this time I scored top of the charts which really confused him. He put me on a steroid for 5 days plus Flonase.

A local hospital runs a tinnutis program which is supposedly one of the best in the world. I scheduled an appointment with them but they suggested I see someone for neuromuscular workup before going in.

I must be the luckiest person in the world. Went to see this person and her thoughts were since my scores were so high on the hearing test that when using the router, in the position I was using it, going slowly, precisely, etc I created a lot of muscle tension in the neck.

I was 4" off from ear to ankle and my front neck muscles were incredibly tight.

She worked on me for about 25 minutes and that night the noise was down 70-80 percent. I did a bunch of stretches and other work recommended and the following night the noise was gone until I laid down.

Today after more stretching it is positional. Sitting up straight dead silent, laying down minor noise, maybe 5 percent of what it was. Go back for a few more treatments over the next few weeks which I'm confident will fix the problem.

Putting me back in alignment overall should alleviate it totally. My aversion to noise has gone away too, I was extremely sensitive to anything over 80db especially in the lower frequencies.

Still I'll never be without ear protection again, this was one rough experience and although I'll probably be better off in the long run correcting the neck issue better ways to learn a lesson than this one.

For those who continue to have tinnutis there is a new treatment out which claims a 91 percent success rate. Right now there is TRT, or Tinnutis Retraining Therapy but it requires 18 months of therapy and nearly 24 hour per day environment where there is some noise, along with psychological training.

The new method is 2-4 hours per day for 6 months for a complete reduction in noise. Same concept, they train your brain to not hear the noise but now its done passively and in a much shorter period of time.

You have no idea how important silence is until its gone.
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Old 23rd December 2011, 01:34 PM   #14
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OK, thanks for the information. I don't know if there's anything they can do about me. I've had this for years now. I go to a chiropractor once per month as well as getting Rolfed monthly but it doesn't help this. My wife is trained in Crano-sacral, so she's treating me sometimes as well. I don't expect much. My ears are clean...
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Old 23rd December 2011, 01:41 PM   #15
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OK, thanks for the information. I don't know if there's anything they can do about me. I've had this for years now. I go to a chiropractor once per month as well as getting Rolfed monthly but it doesn't help this. My wife is trained in Crano-sacral, so she's treating me sometimes as well. I don't expect much. My ears are clean...
My problems with it started with a chiropractor.

TRT is supposed to work on anyone, and this new treatment is just a faster adaptation of it.

The concept is the brain ignores all kinds of noise all day long. Blood flow, heart beat, movement, etc...so once they find the specific frequency they train your brain to ignore it like any other body sound.

I bought an app for the iPhone which mimics the idea and lets you go through the adaptation phase.

It would work, for 5-6 minutes at a time. You find the frequency, listen to it for 20 minutes, then you find another sound, a white noise sound, waterfalls, etc that mask the tinnutis normally.

Then the program merges the two together. This is not the technique I inquired about but its close in concept.

Worked good enough for me for $2.99 to see how it could be effective.

The way my problem was explained to me is the muscles were so tight in the neck from being out of alignment that it causes minor ischemia's in the ear, which leads to fluid and toxic build up. That irritates the nerves and the noise starts.

Relieving that pressure and stress would clean the area out and return to normal function.

Last night and today it is not even perceptible.

Good luck with it, if its something that bothers you I'd investigate it more.
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Old 23rd December 2011, 02:24 PM   #16
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My wife is also working on my neck starting today. I do have tight muscles there and it hurts like hell when she stretches them. I don't expect results right away of course, since this has been going on for years.

What's the name of the app? I'm sure there's an iPad version, I hope?

It seems stronger in my right ear though.
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Old 23rd December 2011, 02:53 PM   #17
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My wife is also working on my neck starting today. I do have tight muscles there and it hurts like hell when she stretches them. I don't expect results right away of course, since this has been going on for years.

What's the name of the app? I'm sure there's an iPad version, I hope?

It seems stronger in my right ear though.
It's called iTinnutis. It will work on the iPad too, just be really small on the screen.

The Neuromuscular person I see said 50 percent of people respond to treatment, she had a woman come in after having it for 3 years and within a few sessions saw massive improvements.

I also took a Tinnutis supplement that was highly recommended by several doctors to improve blood flow in the ear. I normally am not too keen on that kind of stuff but the local doctors and hospitals carry it. Also has a decent effectiveness rate depending on what is causing it.

However I've only been taking it 10 days and pretty much everything I read is it takes at least 60 days to have an impact so I doubt that is it. It was called Archer's Tinnutis Formula. I picked it up at at the local Henry Ford Hospital here in Michigan.

Mine was audible in the left ear except with masking 80 percent of the time, 20 percent of the time it was audible no matter what. Right ear only when I laid down on it.

Strangely enough in the room for the hearing test I heard nothing with a complete absence of sound.

What is encouraging even more so for me is I'll move my head a certain way and get a REALLY LOUD sharp ringing in one ear or the other. Takes about 5 minute to fade away. Something is moving around in there.

Now I do not hear it at all, lying down it is so faint I have to strongly concentrate on it.

If its not hearing loss related then its just a hunt for what helps it. From what I've read and learned there is a way to treat most every cause but it could be 20 different things causing it.

If it is hearing loss related then TRT or the other program seem to be the only way to go although there are experimental surgeries being done but nothing concrete.

I hated the idea of living with this and have spent a month straight educating myself about it as much as possible.

BTW the guy who invented the TRT treatment is in Virginia. He has a Tinnutis clinic there. I'll have to find the link, the problem is TRT also stands for Testosterone Replacement Therapy and I can find the article I was reading before.

[Edit] Found it: http://www.medicine.virginia.edu/cli..._tinnitus-page

Here is the other article http://www.ivanhoe.com/science/story/2009/02/536a.html I read another that showed complete recovery from similar treatment. If the problem continues for any reason I have an appointment with the Doc in that article on Jan 27th.

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Old 23rd December 2011, 02:58 PM   #18
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I guess I've trained myself. The vast majority of the time I'm not aware of the tinnitus. The worst times are when I'm in the presence of another constant droning sound, and then I tend to block out all sounds. Making me virtually deaf, or close to.
Gory details section: I had bacterial meningitis and it ruptured my eardrum. I remember going to the ENT surgeon and I could see the video screen while I lay on one side. She took a tiny camera/vacuum gadget and cleaned way into my ear canal. Dried blood-looking crud. Did the other ear too. Pretty sure they pierced that eardrum. There was talk of brain and/or heart surgery. Meningitis is some wicked stuff. I feel lucky. I'll cope with the tinnitus. I've otherwise recovered fully.
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Old 24th December 2011, 12:57 PM   #19
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Thanks so much Eric! wonderful information. Yesterday, my wife gave me a treatment and then I asked her to stretch out any tight neck muscles should could find. After that, I felt so relaxed I wanted to go back to sleep... sigh, I must have a lot of stress in my neck.
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Old 12th January 2012, 04:46 PM   #20
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3M just published an article on ear protection. It covers the types of hearing protection and topics such as caring and cleaning but also covers the basics of why you need it such as the specific sounds and noise we need protection from. There's a section for musicians too. Thought it might be helpful.
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