veneer over vinyl

davecooper · 23rd September 2011, 09:06 PM

Is it possible to veneer over a vinyl type wrap on a pair of speakers? I have a pair of Mission 780 speakers which have the common black wood grain effect finish. I would like to give these a real wood finish to match my furniture if possible. Thanks.

kevinkr · 23rd September 2011, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by davecooper

Is it possible to veneer over a vinyl type wrap on a pair of speakers? I have a pair of Mission 780 speakers which have the common black wood grain effect finish. I would like to give these a real wood finish to match my furniture if possible. Thanks.

I would figure out how to remove that vinyl wrap, they probably used something similar to hot melt glue that might come off with an iron. (My old employer did) Not sure how well contact adhesive adheres to vinyl - might be OK or not.. If you do remove it some prep work prior to veneering is probably going to be required.

Lots of the speaker building crowd should have good answers for you

chrisb · 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by davecooper

Is it possible to veneer over a vinyl type wrap on a pair of speakers? I have a pair of Mission 780 speakers which have the common black wood grain effect finish. I would like to give these a real wood finish to match my furniture if possible. Thanks.

If you thoroughly clean first and cold press with white glue ( Weldbond, etc) - not a solvent based contact - you should have no problem with adhesion, but you could get some telegraphing of embossed grain pattern.

But as Kevin noted above, if you really want to turn these into a silk purse, it would be nice to strip off the old vinyl - just be ready to sacrifice a cheap clothes iron to the cause. Actually, buy 2 and use the second one to apply the veneer - works much faster than cold press or vacuum bagging, and allows for adjusting grain alignment not possible with contact cements. It also has the advantage of not being affected by solvent based finishing products (stains/lacquers)

davecooper · 24th September 2011, 01:22 PM

If the wrap can be removed cleanly I will go this route as it is obviously the better way to go. However, if not, I would rub down the wrap to get rid of the embossing as much as possible. Whichever way I go, I think I am going to have to strip the units down. It might be a good time to look at any possible mods to sound deadening material etc.

simon7000 · 24th September 2011, 04:47 PM

No matter what you try be sure to sand it with about 120 grit paper first. Do a few tests for adhesion on the back before you do the whole thing.

Tajzmaj · 25th September 2011, 07:11 PM

Remove vinyl...!!! with help of hot air....it will go....than sand it as Simon....
I ve done such things a few times. Cold press with white glue is better solution but some contact glue is mabe more easy to do.....But some of those contact glues will fail after some time. Don't use any spray contact glues......It can be done with 2 component epoxy glue too. But epoxy is hard to sand.....
Regards, Taj

Tajzmaj · 25th September 2011, 07:14 PM

P.S.
If you go with contact glue don't use any solvent based aggressive finish.....use some water based.....
Regards

23rd September 2011, 09:06 PM	#1
davecooper diyAudio Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Ulverston in Cumbria	veneer over vinyl Is it possible to veneer over a vinyl type wrap on a pair of speakers? I have a pair of Mission 780 speakers which have the common black wood grain effect finish. I would like to give these a real wood finish to match my furniture if possible. Thanks.

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24th September 2011, 01:22 PM	#4
davecooper diyAudio Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Ulverston in Cumbria	If the wrap can be removed cleanly I will go this route as it is obviously the better way to go. However, if not, I would rub down the wrap to get rid of the embossing as much as possible. Whichever way I go, I think I am going to have to strip the units down. It might be a good time to look at any possible mods to sound deadening material etc.

24th September 2011, 04:47 PM	#5
simon7000 diyAudio Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Oakmont PA	No matter what you try be sure to sand it with about 120 grit paper first. Do a few tests for adhesion on the back before you do the whole thing.

25th September 2011, 07:11 PM	#6
Tajzmaj diyAudio Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Ljubljana	Remove vinyl...!!! with help of hot air....it will go....than sand it as Simon.... I ve done such things a few times. Cold press with white glue is better solution but some contact glue is mabe more easy to do.....But some of those contact glues will fail after some time. Don't use any spray contact glues......It can be done with 2 component epoxy glue too. But epoxy is hard to sand..... Regards, Taj

25th September 2011, 07:14 PM	#7
Tajzmaj diyAudio Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Ljubljana	P.S. If you go with contact glue don't use any solvent based aggressive finish.....use some water based..... Regards

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