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Old 7th April 2010, 11:31 AM   #41
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Hi Cristi,

I have 8950th with 6800 uF, and I might experience pumping (sounds like a helicopter), and I have some some low distortion, as described earlier. The distortion is independent of the source, but only appears with signal. Also the distortion is independent of volume.

What can be wrong? Is the caps to small for my 2x24 volt transformer?
 
Old 7th April 2010, 12:38 PM   #42
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Just a remark to my above question:

This is from TDS8950th datasheet
"The noise generated by the internal oscillator is supply voltage dependent. An external
low-noise oscillator is recommended for low-noise applications running at high supply
voltages."


Could this be my problem? I don't know how internal oscillator noise sounds. I don't have a transformer with lower voltage to try this out.
 
Old 8th April 2010, 03:51 AM   #43
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if both channels of the amplifier are driven with signal in-phase, or just connected together, the bus pumping should not be significant since the signal is already inverted on the left channel. you should try to increase the capacitors value by adding extra capacitance to avoid umping, and to increase the zobel network capacitor value to avoid oscillation. the external synchronization is recommended when there are few amplifiers working together to avoid beating. for this, an external clock generator with 50% duty cycle and frequency in range og 600-720 KHz should be used. anyway, the problem is likely to be a GND loop or output to input parasitic coupling which create unwanted feedback.
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Old 8th April 2010, 09:01 AM   #44
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I'm planning a new housing for my amps, and will first implent a new layout for the signal/power. I would rather not solder on the board. NXP actually recommends a better oscillator for high supply voltages, see my quote from the datasheet.
 
Old 8th April 2010, 02:29 PM   #45
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Hello Cristi
I am not shure of the layout of the connectors of the TDA 8920 v1.0 board.
Could you confirm I got it right ?
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The connections as you drawn are correct. keep in mind that the left channel output must be connected inverted, the loudspeaker will be connected with + at left GND and - at Left Out. this because the left channel input signal is applied to the inverted input of the ic, and the right channel signal is applied to the noninverted input. there are advantages of this type of connection such as the bus-pumping cancellation and easy BTL connection.

congratulations for the nice drawing, btw
Thanks Cristi. I have a couple more drawings. Its done in OpenOffice. When I am done, I'll post the jpg here and send the source to you for reuse. I prefer a graph or a drawing rather than text


I build a mono BTL, single way (its a mono amp)
two more questions :


1. I want to avoid ground loops. I noticed that input Gnd pins 2 and 4 are connected via the pcb. I would cable only one.
Is this below cabling correct ?
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2. power cabling.
Power Gnd pins 2 and 3 are connected via the 8920 pcb. I'll only cable one to avoid ground loop.
I have the SMPS250. Can I simply connect SMPS Vout+ and Vout- to TDA8920 AC1 and AC2 as shown ont the drawing below, eventhough its DC and not AC ?
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thanks again for your help.
 
Old 9th April 2010, 10:35 AM   #46
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I'm planning a new housing for my amps, and will first implent a new layout for the signal/power. I would rather not solder on the board. NXP actually recommends a better oscillator for high supply voltages, see my quote from the datasheet.
you should try to synchronize the amplifiers if you want to make a multichannel system, and could also can modify to use the inputs in balanced mode instead of unbalanced.

alkasar, the schematics looks fine, but yo should invert the loudspeaker terminals, the left channel is inverted, so there should be - and right is not inverted, so +. also, the smps output voltage should be set for lower voltage than the default +-30V, i recommend +-25V.
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Old 11th April 2010, 12:20 PM   #47
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alkasar, the schematics looks fine, but yo should invert the loudspeaker terminals, the left channel is inverted, so there should be - and right is not inverted, so +. also, the smps output voltage should be set for lower voltage than the default +-30V, i recommend +-25V.
will do. Thanks.
 
Old 26th April 2010, 01:34 PM   #48
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Cristi; Have not been able to access data on the integrated 8920 amp/ PS mentioned in post#28. Please help.
Thanks,
Pete
 
Old 27th April 2010, 07:36 PM   #49
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Hi Cristi,

I have 8950th based amps from you, and I have mentioned in this thread, a high frequency noise on start up. The time the noise a present got longer and longer, so eventually I just kept them on. One night I heard one of the amps with continuous noise and I shut it of immediatly. The next morning I turned it on, but only with at low freq. noise and the speaker cone dragged in to the cabinet (constant DC).
 
Old 28th April 2010, 07:15 AM   #50
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Peter,
i will solve the problem with the manual net days.

Brian,
the high frequency noise is most probably generated when there is a GND loop or a parasitic coupling between input and output. if the problem is not solved, is very possible that the zobel resistors will burn and this will lead to higher noise, and eventually the IC will enter in protection mode or even fail. if there is DC component present on the output, is possible that this just hapent. can you measure without loudspeakers connected what is the value of the voltage at the output, then, if is equal with the supply rail voltage, measure with a multimeter when the module is powered off the resistance between output and that power rail to identify if the ic is damaged or just latch when you power on due to abnormal voltages on the pins.
one important aspect: did you mounted all the screws on the pcb ? because only one of them is connected at GND on the board, for star connection, the one from the rectifier bridge. if is not connected, can generate this kind of problems also.
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