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Old 23rd May 2014, 01:00 AM   #2811
SL08 is offline SL08  United States
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I love the BAF because it brings together a group of extreme and totally dedicated people who are more interested in passing on ideas and learning than selling or buying stuff. I love the slightly chaotic arrangements and the cooperation it requires from people and which is freely given. Fort Mason is a great location, but the acoustics are reverberant to the extreme. That has two problems: a very high ambient noise level from people talking and secondly the majority of loudspeakers are not designed to work optimally in even modestly reverberant spaces. So forget about critical listening. I thought the BAF was about amplifiers. Maybe speakers should only be played to demo electronic gear. It would then be up to the gear designer to arrange for speakers to demo his/her stuff. Basically loudspeakers are only used when needed and not demo'ed for their own sake. I have observed when demoing speakers at Fort Mason that just opening the door to the hallway introduces way too much noise and that people in the room have to be really quiet to hear a semblance of what the speakers are capable off. Let's forget about loudspeakers and keep talking about electronics and, yes, also about loudspeakers. BAF should not become one of the many hotel room based audio shows. It would be a real loss.

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Old 23rd May 2014, 07:32 AM   #2812
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Despite the name, BAF is every bit a speaker builder's event as it is an amp builder's. Or for that matter, DAC builder, electronic crossover builder, turntable builder, etc.

People bring in speakers of all sorts -- line arrays, horns, dipoles, monitors, single-driver, multi-way, you name it. They are projects of their own merit, not simply as a way to demo electronics.

As for the general disdain of hotels, not all of them are alike. Some have conference rooms with much better acoustics than Fort Mason. I don't know what it costs for a day at Fort Mason, but a hotel is not necessarily more expensive. I know that a couple of years ago, the cost of a head-fi meet at the DoubleTree San Francisco Airport was $1150 for a large space split into 3 rooms, plus the hallway for people to hang out in. Even if we double that cost, and assuming we get at least 100 attendees, the $30 per-head charge should cover it all with cash to spare, and that's not counting any donations or sponsorship.

Personally, I'm not too worried about whether the Golden Gate Bridge is or isn't right outside. It sure is nice, but as an audio event, Fort Mason leaves a lot to be desired. Visitors from afar will find their way to San Francisco and other local attractions, before or after BAF, as I'm sure they did in the past anyway. I believe that as long as the likes of Nelson Pass, Siegfried Linkwitz, etc., continue to grace us with their presence, people will come.
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Old 23rd May 2014, 05:49 PM   #2813
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For those who are interested in DIY loudspeakers, I encourage you to attend the meetings of the NorCal DIY Audio group. We try to meet up about once per year when Burning Amp is not taking place. This is usually in May, but this year we will be meeting in October as well, date TBD. The group meets in a venue in Davis, CA and this is about 1-1.5hrs drive from the Bay Area. Any interested person from the Bay Area can easily make a day out of it. You can even take BART/Amtrak-Capitol-Corridor to the Davis station if you want to avoid driving altogether.

If you want to get occasional updates about meetings from the group's EMail list, please sign up here:
NorCal DIY Audio group EMail list sign-up page
You can opt out of the EMails at any time. Otherwise just look for posts about the group's next meeting in this forum.

We would always love to have more people bring their DIY electronics projects!

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Old 12th March 2015, 01:41 PM   #2814
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Default This 2015 ! Will there be a BAF

Any plans to get together this year ?
I know a lot of factors need to be right for this to happen.
So are there any plans ?
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Old 31st March 2015, 05:34 AM   #2815
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It seems that the original organizer(s) are burnt out (and I don't blame them, it's a lot of work). We need new people to help make the event happen again.
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Old 31st March 2015, 06:01 AM   #2816
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Hello Everyone,

Yes I was a bit burnt out, but it was more to do with work and family dramas adding so much extra time that I couldn't go looking for another space when Ft Mason told me I couldn't get our same old place. Funny how the place was polarizing - People either loved or hated it. Well now everyone seems to love it now that there's no other option! To be fair, no one could claim that the acoustics were very good!

I have pretty much done all the work organizing the show for most years, aided by my friends and family pitching in the day of the event. And of course we always have the volunteers too.. Thanks to you all. It would have been a better event if I had time to get a core group together and to delegate- then the format would have evolved more. My schedule just never seemed to allow for that.

So back to Ft Mason. They are in the midst of a site wide remodel to make the place more upscale. Not too sure that's a good thing. Funky, low budget events like ours will get squeezed out of SF. so they won't commit to renting us the space until August sometime.

So, if they give the go-ahead then, we can easily get the thing together by October.

Certainly getting more people involved would help a lot. Let's try to do that now.

Please don't suggest alternate venues or general locations without checking them out first. Call, then visit it in person. We need various mediums sized rooms. Most venues have large rooms. Also think of other people. Perhaps you don't like driving to an event or traffic, but other people might find that place charming or worth driving to. Your place may be inconvenient for them. Instead, help out some- call the place then visit it and see what the can offer. Take some photos. Then post here and I can take a look.

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Old 31st March 2015, 03:42 PM   #2817
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Mark, thanks for your post about the possibility of holding BA at Fort Mason in the future. I just wanted to add that if anyone is checking out alternative venues please keep in mind cost and accessibility. There ARE venues around the Bay Area that might work but many are quite expensive to rent on a weekend and/or may not have the parking that allows hundreds of (largely) amateurs to roll up in their vehicles and unload their gear. Cost and accessibility are just as easily applicable to a hotel or conference center. Since loudspeakers have been more prevalent in recent years at BA, its a bonus if the acoustics of the space are suitable for listening - several medium sized rooms are certainly better for that purpose.

Personally I would really like to see BA continue on in some form or another. The venue for the DIY loudspeaker group out here (near Sacramento) is no longer available to me so that group's meetings are likely ending.
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Old 31st March 2015, 03:55 PM   #2818
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I was at only the 2013 event, but had a great time. As a BA resident, I can do some scouting. One thing that would be helpful is general specs for the past events.... how many rooms, types, and number of people that have attended. I rough budget from past events perhaps. That info may have been posted, so a link would help me.
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Old 12th April 2015, 06:45 PM   #2819
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I'm also in the Bay Area, and, depending on schedule, may be able to help out with some of the organizing leg work.

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Old 12th April 2015, 08:32 PM   #2820
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Just point me the right way on the track coach. I've been to three events and worn the shirt. All you have to do is say go. Thank you for making my day.

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