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Old 4th November 2012, 09:29 PM   #2581
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Some sacred object to pass back and forth is a good idea. I've tried sign-up lists without much success..

This is the final big problem. The red shirts in the rooms are SUPPOSED to be switching from one end of the room to the other, That way while one side is swapping in components, the other is playing a track. I guess I have to write down their responsibilities, and have a discussion before. They are supposed to make sure that after one track, the system on the other side then plays, and to make sure people Swap in different components. Now some systems with active crossovers and such are tougher to swap around, but really it CAN be done, and the system owner might just learn something too..

The red shirt is supposed to indicate people who are supposed to be listened to. Not everyone is comfortable asking people to do stuff. If you aren't that kind of person you really shouldn''t be an in-room redshirt.



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This is my biggest problem with the event. With all the equipment there, I am desperate to compare them. My room, Volta, was cooperative but not organized. If we asked someone to turn-down and give us time, they obliged. When there was a lull and we jumped on it; then others started talking too loud. I didn't ask them to keep it down (my bad) since they seemed to be having a good time.

I think an organized trade-off of time would make everyone happy. How about a relay baton that is passed clockwise around the room. Good for 10 or 15 minutes. Within that time, the holder can ask for 10 minutes of silence or library whispers. Hopefully the holder will make a presentation and the whole room will gain an appreciation of the equipment on test.

I think some of the time will needs to be relaxed (non-holders of the baton can "burp" their systems outside of the holder's critical listening) because you need to test that your system is working before getting the baton. I also think that if you're not setup (within a minute or two of getting the baton) then it should be passed on. I foresee the baton moving rapidly to the people that want it. We would not want one to cling to it because they don't want to wait for the next circuit.

Just some thoughts. Any sharing of listening time guidelines would make me feel good about asking for time and for giving time.
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Old 4th November 2012, 10:29 PM   #2582
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or what if the swap meet and amp camp days were the first day and then the 2nd day is the show? that way people could BUILD something in amp camp with stuff they bought at the swap meet and SHOW it on the 2nd day! be proud of what they build! people could also decide if they want to come for both days or just the really big sheeew
Here's an idea: how about a "loudspeaker measurement and crossover design camp" on day 1?

I have a full suite of hardware and software for measurement, analysis, data merging/processing, as well as software for using that data to model loudspeaker crossovers. These are all free, so I would be happy to use them as part of a demo/seminar/build session. People could bring drivers in speaker boxes, they could be measured, crossovers designed, and then implemented at the show (well using active DSP crossovers at least). What is interesting is that you can quickly change the crossover design and listen to the results or compare two or more different crossover design using ABX type testing. That might be fun in and of itself. I could also give a presentation of the loudspeaker crossover design process from A-to-Z.

Would anyone be interested in that kind of thing? It might dovetail/complement amp camp nicely.

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Old 4th November 2012, 10:45 PM   #2583
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This was my first Burning Amp. Loved it.
I'd also love to see some kind of "hands on" events going on in that main room. On going workshop or something like that perhaps?
I found it difficult to really listen to many systems. Some of the systems I really wanted to hear never seemed to play. Others were competing in the same room causing me to leave.

Someone mentioned a 10 min rule. How about a dedicated "10 min" room?

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Old 5th November 2012, 12:45 AM   #2584
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As far as I'm concerned we should do this. A very generous offer. Along with the distortion measuring session, and an Amp Camp we have a pretty decent second day! Well first day- you know what I mean!

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Here's an idea: how about a "loudspeaker measurement and crossover design camp" on day 1?

I have a full suite of hardware and software for measurement, analysis, data merging/processing, as well as software for using that data to model loudspeaker crossovers. These are all free, so I would be happy to use them as part of a demo/seminar/build session. People could bring drivers in speaker boxes, they could be measured, crossovers designed, and then implemented at the show (well using active DSP crossovers at least). What is interesting is that you can quickly change the crossover design and listen to the results or compare two or more different crossover design using ABX type testing. That might be fun in and of itself. I could also give a presentation of the loudspeaker crossover design process from A-to-Z.

Would anyone be interested in that kind of thing? It might dovetail/complement amp camp nicely.

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Old 5th November 2012, 12:47 AM   #2585
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One problem of a two day show is that local people who drive up from far off places might find a single day convenient as they do not have to stay anywhere and increase expenses. The 'spill off' second day would be OK for people who live nearby and for people who in any case have some accomodation arranged.
One day should be the real show so that 'one dayer's' get to see the key things at the show. Second day could be a 'measurement / hands on' day in addition to listening to equipment. With a one day show , most people will arrange their programs to be able to attend. With two days the visitors who can spare only one day will pick a day and so attendance each day might drop compared to what you have now. Of course it will make it easier for people to listen to the equipment that interests them.

You need to discuss this in depth. It isn't as simple as it looks. Will it be possible to cover expenses with less visitors each day ? You should not increase the entry fee. But it certainly will be a good thing if it is held on two days , if possible.
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Old 5th November 2012, 01:13 AM   #2586
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I think we've solved your concerns with the idea of a second day with seminars/demos, and not the standard day fare, which is the path I have considered in the past, and Amp Camp has made more interesting. Adding a Charlie Laub seminar kind of guarantees the concept will work IMHO.



So yes, the people who can only spare a day or have to drive quite a distance can come to the main day and get the full experience. The days would be totally different, so I don't see one day affecting the other. Also, on the "Seminar Day" we will only be renting one room probably so the costs will be minimal. I agree that people coming a medium distance might not be able to make both days, but people coming a long distance such as yourself would actually probably prefer to have more activities, if, as you say, they have accommodations.
I lowered the entry fees this year to $25 instead of 30 and we squeaked by. Probably better to have the seminar day people pay the costs of the room or two needed for the seminars.

And local people can come to both if they are interested.

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Old 5th November 2012, 03:29 AM   #2587
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- I like the ideas submitted for a two day event.
Day One Builder Day... Speaker Builders and Amp Builders....
Speaker design, testing crossover design, etc. PCB design, board stuffing etc.

Day Two Lectures and Demonstrations.

We definitely need to obtain a bigger Screen for the lectures.

In our room we did rotate the demos you just had to be quick with the knob.

All in all this was a great show and yes I did notice the entry price was lower. Thanks - jblast
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Old 5th November 2012, 04:26 AM   #2588
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Mark,
Looks like you might as well work on a 2 day program next time. As things stand , I plan to be there in 2013. I will also want to get to the RMAF which is in the same month and hope there will be a few days gap between the two.
What about the San Francisco Air Show ? Can't miss that too !

As you mentioned I ( and others ) would certainly find a two day program more attractive after traveling all that distance ! Last time I did feel that if possible 'tech talks' should be on a different day as 'listening' to equipment is really a VERY full day affair by itself.
Also, RMAF can drive one completely nuts !
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Old 11th November 2012, 06:29 PM   #2589
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Here's what happened apparently:

Burning Amp Sizzles in San Francisco | Stereophile.com

Jason Victor Serinus does a really good job catching the essence of the show IMHO. Thanks Jason!
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Burning Amp Sizzles in San Francisco | Stereophile.com

Jason Victor Serinus does a really good job catching the essence of the show IMHO. Thanks Jason!
My microphones made from Chinese donors look nice on pictures!
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