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Old 7th November 2010, 02:50 AM   #2121
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Ha lets be official..

This was the most attended BAF since we started. We had about 160 sold tickets, and my estimate that we had between 180 - 200 people all together. It was great since we had so many people, what gives great feel to the event. At some point there was a line at the entrance where Mark's wife was selling tickets. Financially we are in black, we paid all the expenses and what was left was exactly enough to pay deposit for the next year. That is great and that is exactly what we are doing now, trying to find the available date. It seems like that October is most demanding month for events. We prefer early October because of the weather, but... we have to choose the date that:

• Is not the date when there is a fleetweek, since the traffic is unbearable on that weekend, and Fort Mason becomes unapproachable.

• It is not the date when there is RMAF show in Colorado, when some of our guests attend. We also need to leave about two weeks between RMAF and BAF since people that are attending RMAF get exhausted from that show and most likely they need time to drive back.

• It is not the date of AES, since some of our guests are attending that show

With all that the space has to be available to us, what in previous years was not always the case. That is why Mark and I are so excited to pay the deposit right now and to reserve the space.

Going back to statistic, I have to say this year we had the biggest amount of female visitors. I was really pleasantly surprised with that fact and I have to say - they made our show even more pleasant and enjoyable. Be it for spouses or fellow audiofemalephills, but they gave us a warm sound. Hope to se the trend continuing.

Now about what was shown. I have to admit that I had feel that this year was less shown than any other years. Maybe it is just my feel because we had more rooms, but that is how I felt. We had a fair amount of new visitors, but the core group of people was there from previous years. During the first year's show was shown the most, and I believe many people didn't want to show the same later.

The character of this show was given by our exceptional presenters - Pass, Kirkwood and Linkwitz,, and if I would like to be honest, that is what maybe will be remembered the most. Analog guys also were much stronger than previous years. There were several turntables, and one of them was really stunning, all together with 845 tube amps.

Mark, Jan Didden and myself were just talking about the show a few days ago, and we are aware that we have to think about maybe refreshing the show with some new content or concept. We will see and we will let you know. Your ideas and suggestions are greatly welcomed. Since Choky, Magura and Jacco are planned to be here we have to make it as a big celebration! And it will be the 5th annual show! Could you belieive it?
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Old 7th November 2010, 04:49 AM   #2122
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What did I bring?

The computer speakers - Aurasound sound bar, Tang Band Tiny Towers, and Mark Audio Teapot Tiny Towers. Hopefully some people got a chance to hear these cheap and cheerful drivers.

I never did get a chance to hear them run by a different amplifiers - I would have welcomed the chance. And of course all the amplifier guys didn't get to play with their toys. An organized way of A-B ing various combinations of equipment would be welcome, as well as quieter rooms for listening.

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Old 7th November 2010, 05:40 AM   #2123
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This was my first show and I couldn't have asked for more. I'm already looking forward to next year... and hopefully, I can bring something.

One request would be a listening room for the people who bring stuff. I know there was a room this year, but most of the stuff there was just on display, rather than being hooked up and playing. I want to not only ogle at other people's work, but also listen to it.
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Old 7th November 2010, 06:37 AM   #2124
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........and we are aware that we have to think about maybe refreshing the show with some new content or concept. We will see and we will let you know. Your ideas and suggestions are greatly welcomed........
possibly - ZMEngrish presentation of Famous ZM's method of construction , called Metoda Uzaludnih Pokusaja can bring some refreshment ?

please - translate - I just couldn't manage

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...... Metoda Uzaludnih Pokusaja ........


I know ....... proper translation from Serbian to ZMEngrish is - Purposeless Attempts Method

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Old 7th November 2010, 02:14 PM   #2126
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What actually made it -

A revamped version of the "Half Nelson" amp that I brought to the first BA.

"Kingfisher" P-P amp using jfet differential inputs cascoded with the small triodes from a pair of 6CS7s.
IMO, both of these amps sounded great. The Kingfisher playing classical vinyl was an exercise in dynamic range, quite impressive.



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I have to admit that I had feel that this year was less shown than any other years. Maybe it is just my feel because we had more rooms, but that is how I felt. We had a fair amount of new visitors, but the core group of people was there from previous years. During the first year's show was shown the most, and I believe many people didn't want to show the same later.

Seemed that way to me also.......we were thin on phono stages, and had to share one between both ends of the room to play Dtut's linear tracker. He had two other turntables that were not auditioned due to lack of a pre and vinyl. We also did not have many speakers, in fact we listened to the same two pairs of floorstanders the entire day, although they were both quite excellent.

We also did not have any DIY line stages or other non-vinyl sources to demo at the far end of the room, resorting to a Cary 308 & and a Dehavilland tube pre that Randy from Sonist had brought along (very nice stuff!-thanks Randy!).

We demo'd a new member's Boozehound 6V6 amp, Nelson Brocks F4, and a Glowamp at one end of the big room, and the 845 amp, both of Wrenchone's amps and a couple of others at the other end.

As far as suggestions for future BA's, perhaps a sign up sheet & staging area for equipment to be demo'd. That would allow a more efficient flow of gear through the setups. It seems that there was additional gear on display that could be demo'd, but in some cases I was unable to find the owners (I was the red-shirted volunteer in the big room).

If there is room, another suggestion is to have a swap meet/flea market room, as many members have stuff that they would love to unload, err...sell.
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Old 10th November 2010, 03:34 AM   #2127
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Guys, thank you for the comments and ideas. Please keep them coming.

Now, just to give you the freshest and the latest news.
Mark and myself had a long conversation on the phone about dates for the next year's BAF. We looked into available dates at Fort Mason, we looked not to hit the Fleet Week Date, we looked not to colide with RMAF show in Colorado, and to give enough time to some of our guests before or after that show, we looked into not coinciding with AES...

So it is October 1st 2011! The location is the same at Fort Mason with as many rooms we had this year plus the big presentation room available for the whole day - instead of only 5 hours we had this year. We are so happy to be able to lock this deal right now, and to be able to post now so that everyone can plan on time, unlike we did in the past. We are very excited about this date since the weather is almost guaranteed to be perfect, to be honest, that is the absolutly best time of year in the Bay area.

I think next BAF is going to be spectacular. We are expecting out Europian trio Fantasticus - Choky, Magura and Jacco. I already see the next BAF as Off Topic Burning Amp.

Now I could even start our official countdown - it is D Day minus 327!
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Old 10th November 2010, 03:41 AM   #2128
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I might even have some of the other stuff I intended for this year's BA ready by then... Seriously, my goal is to be able to cart a complete reproduction chain to BA to aid in mixing and matching. I'll probably have some sort of mutant tube preamp ready by then. I agree about the weather - should be glorious...
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Old 10th November 2010, 05:09 AM   #2129
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Vladimir pointed out that if we got the big presentation room for the whole day, it could be used for a a larger hospitality room, which was a bit small this year. Now this means that the hospitality room has to be quiet during presentations, but there would be a lot of room on the sides for sponsor tables, displays, the refreshments and food, and the giveaway items, which could be spread out in advance. The hospitality room from this year would become another listening room, allowing a lot more complete systems to be set up. The rooms looking out to the bay will also be used more effectively to allow more systems, and less switching of components in and out..

Mark

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Old 19th November 2010, 09:25 AM   #2130
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I brought the two phono preamps made from the second RIAA schematic in Joe Curcio's appnote for the LM4562 opamp. The first one was built deadbug/point-to-point, the next one on a PCB I had made at expresspcb. I changed the circuit a bit on the PCB to lower the noise about 10db.

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The room that the Orions were in really killed their sound. I'm surprised that there haven't been any posts or comments about it. The echo and reverb from the concrete walls and floors made for overly-loud, boomy, inarticulate bass. When I sat close to the speakers and listened to some "light" music to get away from the bass overload, the timbre was still way off. I could connect with them a bit on some of the quieter classical pieces but normally, you don't need to work hard to get something from them. Linkwitz mentioned during his talk that the room was much too reverberant.

Any chance of finding a place with more acoustically benign rooms next year?

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