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frozenpod1 3rd May 2005 06:37 AM

Power stage topology
 
I am looking into power stage topologies.

Currently there are two alternatives that I am aware of.

Full H-Bridge and a Half bridge.

The both seem to be as good as each other but the half bridge requires a -ve supply where as the full bridge only requires a 0 to +ve.

I have also read some information relating that with a full bridge you only need half the maximum voltage to produce the same output power. This doesn't seem correct as I thought the magnitude of the voltage would be the same for each topology.

If anyone can help I would be greatfull.

Does anyone have proof of better quality sound from either topology. I am planning to opted for the best quality sound.

dmfraser 3rd May 2005 04:05 PM

Topology
 
Half bridge is good because you have no DC voltage on the output. Plus, you can later bridge for more output. Somewhat cheaper to build. This is what Hypex do.

H bridge is good because you only need a single supply, of a lower voltage for a given power output. Also, the balanced output stage cancels out many of the distortion products and has what some describe as a mellower sound, somewhat "tube like" but without the output transformer artifacts. It also cancels out much of what noise or ripple is on the power supply. This is what ICE Power and D2Audio use.

Lars Clausen 3rd May 2005 04:11 PM

And even though the power supply for the HALF BRIDGE solution is slightly more complicated, because of the -VE, the amplifier is still MUCH simpler to build (ca. half the part count). And much simpler to compensate.

BWRX 4th May 2005 01:33 AM

Re: Power stage topology
 
Quote:

Originally posted by frozenpod1
I have also read some information relating that with a full bridge you only need half the maximum voltage to produce the same output power. This doesn't seem correct as I thought the magnitude of the voltage would be the same for each topology.

If anyone can help I would be greatfull.

Look at the otuput stages of both the half bridge and the full bridge.

The half bridge has two transistors with one transistor tied to the + rail and one to the - rail. The speaker output (forget the filter for a moment) is the connection between the transistors and ground. Theoretically, this allows the voltage across the speaker to be as high as the + rail or as low as the - rail, with respect to ground.

The full bridge has one + rail and a ground and two pairs of output transistors tied between the + rail and ground. The speaker is connected between the outputs of the transistor pairs. This allows one pair of output transistors to pull one side of the speaker to the + rail while the other output pair simultaneously pulls the other side of the speaker to ground. This allows the voltage across the speaker to be as high as the + rail, or the same voltage swing as in the half bridge scenario but with only a + supply rail.

Try to find a picture of what I described, it's much easier to understand when you see what's going on.

edit: Maybe I misunderstood the meaning of your question. By half the maximum voltage they probably mean only one supply rail instead of positive and negative supply rails.

phase_accurate 4th May 2005 06:02 AM

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And much simpler to compensate.
Hi Lars

What do you actually mean by compensate ? Are you talking about the carrier suppression ?

I ask because there are actually more than one things that can be/must be compensated/supressed.
E.g.

- supply pumping: Easier on full-bridge i.e. non existent
- NFB: Easier on half-bridge
- Output filtering: Easier on half-bridge

Regards

Charles

frozenpod1 4th May 2005 06:36 AM

I don't mind the increased complexity, what I am looking for is the best sound quality.

My aim is to produce a 500WRMS plus amplifier with less than 0.1% THD+N.

frozenpod1 4th May 2005 06:36 AM

I understand exactly how both works I have built several switching h-bridges for other power applications

I was trying to find out if anybody nows which produces a better quality of sound.

Has anyone done comprehensive testing of each topology using the same feedback and control loop.

Bruno Putzeys 4th May 2005 07:10 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by frozenpod1
I understand exactly how both works I have built several switching h-bridges for other power applications

I was trying to find out if anybody nows which produces a better quality of sound.

Has anyone done comprehensive testing of each topology using the same feedback and control loop.

I have and I get *exactly* the same sound from full or half bridge.

IVX 4th May 2005 07:14 AM

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Originally posted by Bruno Putzeys


I have and I get *exactly* the same sound from full or half bridge.

And no any tube like tend for H bridge, right?

Bruno Putzeys 4th May 2005 07:30 AM

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Originally posted by IVX

And no any tube like tend for H bridge, right?

A well designed half bridge has quite symmetrical switching behaviour as well so you won't find much even harmonics in the half bridge circuits either. The distortion spectrum is almost exactly the same for half and full bridge.


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