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Old 16th February 2005, 03:35 PM   #11
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B&O wouldn't sell any modules themselves
But it seems that some manufacturers do indeed use ICE-power modules manufactured by B&O themselves (like the aforementioned amps and also P.A. companies like EAW).

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Old 16th February 2005, 03:43 PM   #12
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Oh, and I have no idea what amount you would need to purchase, but its more on the order of like, buying the rights to manufacture yourself, B&O wouldn't sell any modules themselves.
I don't think you can get the rights to produce the ICEpowers by yourself. As far as I know ICEpower has a plant in Malaysia for producing the ICEpowers........

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Old 16th February 2005, 03:49 PM   #13
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I'd love to find a nice switch-power supply also. The UcD's are very small and compact, and our company would like to test them as amplifier for a high-end(ish) home theater PC. Only thing that wouldn't fit in a PC case is the toroid/caps. Switchmode would be the solution, if we only could find a decent DIY kit or completed supply we'd be fine!

I didn't have the chance to test the modules yet, as I haven't received them. Apparently Hypex has big problems with GLS, they were due to bring us the modules on monday.

GLS was just here with a package from another company, still no Hypex delivery...

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Old 16th February 2005, 03:54 PM   #14
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Apparently Hypex has big problems with GLS, they were due to bring us the modules on monday.
We do not have problems with GLS, the problem is GLS has a new driver in your location in Belgium.............

Don't worry the best things comes slowly

We are looking for a SMPS solution, see above

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Old 16th February 2005, 04:06 PM   #15
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Jan-Peter,

This wasn't meant as an "attack" towards you or Hypex. I'm just tired of transport companies.

We deliver PC's to end-users and know how these things go...

So no hard feelings towards you or Hypex, but I can't vent my anger towards GLS.

Poor Niels, I've sent him quite some mails lately...

I hope we all can figure out what went wrong

I'll shut up now, this is not the discussion on this forum
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Old 16th February 2005, 04:06 PM   #16
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"Custom Design

ICEpower offers to design according to your specifications and requirement for high volume projects. Our team of designers has extensive experience with design from specifications all the way to 100% approved solution ready for manufacturing.

Our design experience ranges from for pro audio & consumer electronics to automotive applications. ICEpower offers to manufacture custom designs as a turnkey solution or alternatively on a production license."

"Optional production license
Optional production license is offered for high volume projects to reap the cost benefits of optimized logistics. For production license projects ICEpower delivers a prototype ready for EMC & safety approval."

I read on another site which isn't affiliated to B&O that a min. of 1000 would be required for them to produce them for you.

The problem with Icepower aside from it being unobtanium, and too expensive, is its load dependance.

As I understand it, a SMPS would still require beefy caps for energy reserve, but would save on the transformer size.

It's only less expensive from a mass production view point. If you're not into making supplies, you have little to save by producing a SMPS, while the extra design time/costs would only be passed on to the user. They are far less reliable than your average power supply, and would be troublesome to use properly, much more so than a standard PSU.

Personally, I'd prefer Hypex's time was spent further improving their UCD modules, and releasing new ones, than amping up the cost of them by implementing a sub optimal supply.

I never want to see the thread titled "How to mod your UCD module for true power and quality by removing the SMPS"

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Old 16th February 2005, 04:34 PM   #17
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Too expensive, well...

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Then click "Order Info":

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eAR® 202, 2x200 Watt RMS - US$499 (ex. VAT), EURO 399 (with VAT), 2999 DKR (with VAT)
This is actually 2x100W into 8 omhs, based on ICEpower ASP modules, fully assembled.

So if someone wants a hold of the modules, this might be a way to get them... it will be ASP's of course.

Then I saw the Hypex modules... so I never ordered those eAR's!

Samsung has also announced a 7 channel receiver with all whistles & bells present, with 7*200W/8 ohms based on ICEpower, THX Ultra2 certified (THX might have lost its good name, but the Ultra2 specs are quite difficult to live up to)

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Old 16th February 2005, 07:25 PM   #18
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Yves - this one you mention is based on the cheaper ASC module. Probably not equivalent with the 'full' ASP series.

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Old 16th February 2005, 08:08 PM   #19
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Hi,

I am a bit curious about real power capability of those modules without additional heatsinking. In SMPS business I am accustomed that 1000W power supply gives 1000W continously up to the maximum rated ambient temperature. Now 1000W power supply that gives out 40W at maximum ambient temperature is in my book a 40W power supply and not a 1000W one. See attached part of 1000ASP module data sheet.

I know that FTC has now lowered preconditioning from 1/3 rated power to 1/8 rated power and I think that rated power is tested for 5minutes, but i would like to have your opinion what is a realistic continious power requirement for audio SMPS.

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Jaka Racman
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Old 16th February 2005, 09:13 PM   #20
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Somebody should set up a nice "open standard" for all these things.

A public domain THX certification of sorts, maybe a kind of "benchmark" for amps and other audio equipment, purely based on things that can be measured.

All this power nonsense is driving me nuts. Does anyone even know what 1W is these says? Or 50? Or 100?

Good thing the PMPO craze is over. If they would be measuring car perfomance like they measure audio performance, we would have amazing specs

"Yes sir-eee, 14.000 revs peak engine power output, just before she blew up"

But even "RMS" power can't be trusted these days...

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