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Old 10th September 2014, 09:12 PM   #1
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Default LJM Gain L25-D Gain Help

Just noticed the gain on L25D modules is 40 volt. My Rotel units are 27.2db. Calculating that is:

Rotel:22.908677 Voltage Ratio Gain
27.2db Gain

L25D: 40 Voltage Ratio Gain
32db Gain. LJM lists the L15D as a 36db gain.


This seems to be a problem causing full power draw of my 1000w Power Supply at -15db from full power.

Is there a method to change the gain on L25D's? Hopefully I can make it adjustable for my different pre/pro's.

Thank you!

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Old 11th September 2014, 12:25 AM   #2
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Just noticed the gain on L25D modules is 40 volt. My Rotel units are 27.2db. Calculating that is:

Rotel:22.908677 Voltage Ratio Gain
27.2db Gain

L25D: 40 Voltage Ratio Gain
32db Gain. LJM lists the L15D as a 36db gain.


This seems to be a problem causing full power draw of my 1000w Power Supply at -15db from full power.

Is there a method to change the gain on L25D's? Hopefully I can make it adjustable for my different pre/pro's.

Thank you!
Change R7 to 6 k or so that lowers your gain . The ratio, R8/(R7+R2),
determines the voltage gain of IRAUDAMP7S. ( see MY DESIGN L20D IRS2092+IRFI4020H 200W8R for resistor numbers )

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Old 11th September 2014, 02:41 AM   #3
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Change R7 to 6 k or so that lowers your gain . The ratio, R8/(R7+R2),
determines the voltage gain of IRAUDAMP7S. ( see MY DESIGN L20D IRS2092+IRFI4020H 200W8R for resistor numbers )

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Thank you! I don't think I'm calculating this correctly. Any chance you can help?

Parameters:
Supply Voltage: DC +-60V to +-80V, the recommended voltage +-70V
Output power: 250W 8ohm, 350W 4ohm
Voltage Gain: 40
Input sensitivity: 1.6V
Output current = 14A of the (25C), 10A (85C)
Noise Residual Noise: 200 μV (22 Hz - 20kHz, AES17 the filter Self-regime of the oscillating frequency)
THD + N, 100W: 0.008% 1kHz, Single-channel driven
Total Idle Power Consumption 7W No input the signal
The Channel Efficiency 90% Single-channel driven

Power=Voltage^2/Load Resistance from what I can find
So if the ramp does the rated 350 watt RMS at 4 ohm and 250 at 8ohm I get:
SQRT(1400)=37.42v
SQRT(1500)=44.73v

Voltage Gain = 20*LOG(Vout/Vin)

Voltage Gain = 20*LOG(37.42/1.6)=27.38
Voltage Gain = 20*LOG(44.73/1.6)=28.94

However if I look at the listed voltage gain from above it says 40. In addition when I put it in a calculating program of voltage gain to DB it gives the original converted numbers I posted. Am I missing something?
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Old 11th September 2014, 03:26 AM   #4
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Thank you! I don't think I'm calculating this correctly. Any chance you can help?

Parameters:
Supply Voltage: DC +-60V to +-80V, the recommended voltage +-70V
Output power: 250W 8ohm, 350W 4ohm
Voltage Gain: 40
Input sensitivity: 1.6V
Output current = 14A of the (25C), 10A (85C)
Noise Residual Noise: 200 μV (22 Hz - 20kHz, AES17 the filter Self-regime of the oscillating frequency)
THD + N, 100W: 0.008% 1kHz, Single-channel driven
Total Idle Power Consumption 7W No input the signal
The Channel Efficiency 90% Single-channel driven

Power=Voltage^2/Load Resistance from what I can find
So if the ramp does the rated 350 watt RMS at 4 ohm and 250 at 8ohm I get:
SQRT(1400)=37.42v
SQRT(1500)=44.73v

Voltage Gain = 20*LOG(Vout/Vin)

Voltage Gain = 20*LOG(37.42/1.6)=27.38
Voltage Gain = 20*LOG(44.73/1.6)=28.94

However if I look at the listed voltage gain from above it says 40. In addition when I put it in a calculating program of voltage gain to DB it gives the original converted numbers I posted. Am I missing something?
Ok, it can't possibly be voltage gain causing my issues. I tested voltage at 82db on my rotel at .7v where it cuts out via output. 2.9v in the garage all the way up where it doesn't cut out. Rotel is 3.5v all the way up but it cuts out way before then.
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Old 11th September 2014, 04:01 AM   #5
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Ok, it can't possibly be voltage gain causing my issues. I tested voltage at 82db on my rotel at .7v where it cuts out via output. 2.9v in the garage all the way up where it doesn't cut out. Rotel is 3.5v all the way up but it cuts out way before then.
You asked how to change the gain , so I answered your question
I think you're pushing the current limits of the A1000SMPS ( see attachment )
Can you do an impedance measurement of your speakers ? just download REW and follow instructions. take the minimum impedance and calculate the current at max RMS output and see if this fits in the current limit of the A1000SMPS .
I use this wonderful PSU for years now to supply 5 x L15D's at +/- 50Volts and it's (almost) impossible to trip the current limiter , but my speakers are all above 8 ohms .
with the above impedance you could calculate a gain factor which prevents the current limiter to trip .

Good luck !

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Old 11th September 2014, 04:14 AM   #6
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You asked how to change the gain , so I answered your question
I think you're pushing the current limits of the A1000SMPS ( see attachment )
Can you do an impedance measurement of your speakers ? just download REW and follow instructions. take the minimum impedance and calculate the current at max RMS output and see if this fits in the current limit of the A1000SMPS .
I use this wonderful PSU for years now to supply 5 x L15D's at +/- 50Volts and it's (almost) impossible to trip the current limiter , but my speakers are all above 8 ohms .
with the above impedance you could calculate a gain factor which prevents the current limiter to trip .

Good luck !

Cheers ,

Rens
Thanks for helping, absolutely! Just frustrated is all. I will see if I can do the REW sweep. I only have a Macbook Air with a single output so I'll have to figure that out. What will be the best way to do the impedance checking? I have my Fluke 116 and can set it on impedance and minimum.
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Old 11th September 2014, 06:54 AM   #7
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Thanks for helping, absolutely! Just frustrated is all. I will see if I can do the REW sweep. I only have a Macbook Air with a single output so I'll have to figure that out. What will be the best way to do the impedance checking? I have my Fluke 116 and can set it on impedance and minimum.
You could use REW as a signal generator on your MAC . Use a known series resistor ( around 10 ohms in series with your speaker) and keep the voltage on your mac output constant while sweeping . Measure the voltage over the speaker terminal and you can calculate speaker impedance .

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