Have on order car amp PPI P900.4 -> 4x100w 4 ohms w/12v, under $200 new....

turbodawg · 01:25 PM

So, I've been on the lookout for an amp/battery solution for my portable PA setup, and have struggled with finding an Alpine PDX unit used that I thought was a good value. Came up with this alternative:

PASMAG | PERFORMANCE AUTO AND SOUND - Precision Power P900.4 Amplifier
New PPI amps (Phantom & Black Ice) - DIYMA Car Audio Forum

For about $187, it's just as powerful as an alpine PDX-4.100 or PDX-F4, with a verified 4x100 4 ohms with 12v supply, and 2x350w bridged into 4 ohms. Also have on order a single 12v 35ah SLA battery (~$60), already have a charger. Will be using this with a pair of nominally 8 ohm pa mains to get about 50w or so each, and a single 4ohm sub, crossover by the amp, and passive volume knob. Might also run an analog PEQ, otherwise eq in the music player. Hoping for about 3-4 hour run time.

I thought going this route was easier and more economical than buying amp modules and dealing with a chassis, complex battery or PS setup, crossovers, etc. This does a legit 100wpc RMS off 12v, many amp modules do not.

wy2quiet · 21st February 2013, 04:54 PM

I use the same amplifier in my car. It has plenty of juice, however I had some QC issues with half of the 4 channels dying in the first year (now relegated to sub duty). Be wary. I think I may just be an anomaly judging by the many reviews on DIYMA.

turbodawg · 21st February 2013, 05:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wy2quiet

I use the same amplifier in my car. It has plenty of juice, however I had some QC issues with half of the 4 channels dying in the first year (now relegated to sub duty). Be wary. I think I may just be an anomaly judging by the many reviews on DIYMA.

Won't PPI warranty it?

theAnonymous1 · 23rd February 2013, 12:28 AM

I've had one of these sitting here for a few months. Probably won't get it installed until the spring. Bought it used (like new) for $150.

I didn't want to go through the trouble of separating the PCB from the heatsink, but it looks like it might be an IRS2092 or similar design.

Pallas · 23rd February 2013, 01:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theAnonymous1

I've had one of these sitting here for a few months. Probably won't get it installed until the spring. Bought it used (like new) for $150.

I didn't want to go through the trouble of separating the PCB from the heatsink, but it looks like it might be an IRS2092 or similar design.

IIRC, these PPI amps (Hertz, Soundstream, and Polk all sell basically the same amp in different coverings; others too, probably) are based on a Phillips chipset.

theAnonymous1 · 02:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Pallas

...Phillips chipset.

You mean a chipamp like TDA89xx?

This amp uses discrete IRFI4212H output devices (2pcs per channel).

EDIT: Ah, ok... I found a reference in a Powerbass manual to this "chipset"...

"These amplifiers use the latest Philips/NXP Class D chipset combined with premium MOSFETSs to provide full range audio signal accuracy."

Anyone have a clue what chipset is used? I can't find any info on Philips/NXP class-d chipsets, only their chipamp stuff.

turbodawg · 01:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theAnonymous1

You mean a chipamp like TDA89xx?

This amp uses discrete IRFI4212H output devices (2pcs per channel).

EDIT: Ah, ok... I found a reference in a Powerbass manual to this "chipset"...

"These amplifiers use the latest Philips/NXP Class D chipset combined with premium MOSFETSs to provide full range audio signal accuracy."

Anyone have a clue what chipset is used? I can't find any info on Philips/NXP class-d chipsets, only their chipamp stuff.

From looking at their website, I'm guessing the TDF8591TH found here, or a newer version of it?

TDF8591TH :: NXP Semiconductors
Datasheet: https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q...pg&safe=images

It would be great if someone had more info. PPI's rep claims that they spec the parts and the preamp in particular is their own spec, but it looks like a pretty generic amp that some chinese contractor is offering....not a bad thing really.

theAnonymous1 · 25th February 2013, 07:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by turbodawg

From looking at their website, I'm guessing the TDF8591TH found here, or a newer version of it?

No, that's one of their "chipamp" offerings.

A "chipset" would be a modulator and mosfet driver used to drive external mosfets. Only the mosfets are visible from the top of the PCB... the mystery chispet is on the other side.

turbodawg · 08:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theAnonymous1

No, that's one of their "chipamp" offerings.

A "chipset" would be a modulator and mosfet driver used to drive external mosfets. Only the mosfets are visible from the top of the PCB... the mystery chispet is on the other side.

Ohhh, interesting....thanks! Maybe I'll pull mine apart and see.

theAnonymous1 · 25th February 2013, 09:10 PM

Ok, curiosity got the best of me. I took mine apart.

Guess what... I was right the first time! The amp is IRS2092 based with one piece per channel.

Power supply fets are AOT460 if that matters to anyone.

21st February 2013, 04:00 PM	#1
turbodawg diyAudio Member Join Date: Feb 2004	Have on order car amp PPI P900.4 -> 4x100w 4 ohms w/12v, under $200 new.... So, I've been on the lookout for an amp/battery solution for my portable PA setup, and have struggled with finding an Alpine PDX unit used that I thought was a good value. Came up with this alternative: PASMAG \| PERFORMANCE AUTO AND SOUND - Precision Power P900.4 Amplifier New PPI amps (Phantom & Black Ice) - DIYMA Car Audio Forum For about $187, it's just as powerful as an alpine PDX-4.100 or PDX-F4, with a verified 4x100 4 ohms with 12v supply, and 2x350w bridged into 4 ohms. Also have on order a single 12v 35ah SLA battery (~$60), already have a charger. Will be using this with a pair of nominally 8 ohm pa mains to get about 50w or so each, and a single 4ohm sub, crossover by the amp, and passive volume knob. Might also run an analog PEQ, otherwise eq in the music player. Hoping for about 3-4 hour run time. I thought going this route was easier and more economical than buying amp modules and dealing with a chassis, complex battery or PS setup, crossovers, etc. This does a legit 100wpc RMS off 12v, many amp modules do not. Last edited by turbodawg; 25th February 2013 at 01:25 PM.

23rd February 2013, 12:28 AM	#4
theAnonymous1 diyAudio Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Anonymityville	I've had one of these sitting here for a few months. Probably won't get it installed until the spring. Bought it used (like new) for $150. I didn't want to go through the trouble of separating the PCB from the heatsink, but it looks like it might be an IRS2092 or similar design. __________________ "If you don't like funerals don't kick sand in Ninja's face." - Ninja

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21st February 2013, 04:54 PM	#2
wy2quiet diyAudio Member Join Date: Aug 2012	I use the same amplifier in my car. It has plenty of juice, however I had some QC issues with half of the 4 channels dying in the first year (now relegated to sub duty). Be wary. I think I may just be an anomaly judging by the many reviews on DIYMA.